Thatcher Dead

[Renton 21393]

 

I've been on this forum since its inception and never known a poster as boring and weird as this.

[luckyluke 2]

I think that any anti-Thatcher protesters remember what her private army dished out to the miners and didn't fancy taking a beating from four thousand of the cunts today. Plus it would have given wankers like this another chance to crow. I've got friends in London who are vehemently anti Thatcher, been to anti fascist marches etc in the past, and I'm glad they're not in the clink/ICU/the same place as that poor bloke from the G20.

[NJS 4375]

As she so rightly said, there was no alternative.

 

You still haven't answered the question as to why no other country copied her full on and why other countries who completely rejected her policies were/are more successful.

 

What you are trying to do - as are the media - is suggest that all dissent comes from miners/trade unionists/anarchists and other "undesirables" - what you don't realise is that it goes way beyond that but maybe they were unheard because they didn't make the news. I went out with three blokes at dinner time - one Irish, one from Ipswich and one from London. The two English lads didn't match my or the Irish lad's vitriol but they both said she was a bastard - the only thing it takes to realise that is simple human empathy - something complete lacking in all Tories and obviously in traitors like you.

[Renton 21393]

You still haven't answered the question as to why no other country copied her full on and why other countries who completely rejected her policies were/are more successful.

 

 

Not sure that 6bells is interested in debate, argument, or dialogue. Crushingly boring monologues seem to be more his style.

[The6Bells 0]

You still haven't answered the question as to why no other country copied her full on and why other countries who completely rejected her policies were/are more successful.

 

What you are trying to do - as are the media - is suggest that all dissent comes from miners/trade unionists/anarchists and other "undesirables" - what you don't realise is that it goes way beyond that but maybe they were unheard because they didn't make the news. I went out with three blokes at dinner time - one Irish, one from Ipswich and one from London. The two English lads didn't match my or the Irish lad's vitriol but they both said she was a bastard - the only thing it takes to realise that is simple human empathy - something complete lacking in all Tories and obviously in traitors like you.

 

I don't recall you even asking it, but the simple answer for people like you is that, whether you realise it or not, this country's economy was certainly not in the same shit state as places like Germany (they were the people calling us the 'sick man of Europe', remember), and even if it had been, we most certainly did not have the same starting conditions with regard to things like union militancy and the total failure of political 'consensus' building, which as I'm sure you know (or perhaps not) were failures that predated Thatcher, having happened under both Heath and Callaghan. As for other countries completely rejecting her approach and still flourishing, like who? And please don't even waste your time if the answer is somewhere totally incomparable to the UK.

 

I also thought she was a bastard too. But perhaps we just differ on what qualities are desirable in a leader who has to deal with warmongers, terrorists, fifth columnists and other threats, all while rescuing an economy that was in meltdown. If you want to live in a wanky country with wanky leaders and wanky socialist ideals that hold true only for as long as there's money in the bank, ask your Irish mate if he can put you up, or has he shown his true colours by making this place his home?

[The6Bells 0]

I think that any anti-Thatcher protesters remember what her private army dished out to the miners and didn't fancy taking a beating from four thousand of the cunts today. Plus it would have given wankers like this another chance to crow. I've got friends in London who are vehemently anti Thatcher, been to anti fascist marches etc in the past, and I'm glad they're not in the clink/ICU/the same place as that poor bloke from the G20.

 

More ignorance from the haters. Do you even know which government it was who introduced the laws that stop police acting like a private army? Course you don't, you're too busy talking bollocks to learn about stuff like this - as recent protests showed, no matter how much you disrupt society or destroy property as part of a 'protest' these days, the worst you can expect is to be herded together without access to a toilet for a few hours. Oh the inhumanity. Your mates sound like pussies just making excuses to me, if they are indeed as vehement as they claim about their opposition to Thatcher and as active on other protests.

[The Fish 10779]

few reasons I can think of off the top of my head for the lack of protest.

1. It's a weekday
   
2. It's distasteful to protest a funeral
   
3. the funeral is in London where the overwhelming majority are apathetic towards her
   

[Monroe Transfer 0]

6Bells is still at it? Wow.

[The6Bells 0]

few reasons I can think of off the top of my head for the lack of protest.

1. It's a weekday
    
   
2. It's distasteful to protest a funeral
    
   
3. the funeral is in London where the overwhelming majority are apathetic towards her
   

 

When did it suddenly become hard to get to London on a weekday? Even in Glasgow the 7.30 train gets you into central London by 1pm. That's clearly a non-starter of an excuse for the poor turnout.

 

And when did all those potential Thatcher protesters suddenly find a conscience. Aren't they the same people who held street parties and bought that crappy single while she was being mourned? It's a bit hypocritical of anyone who did that to then suddenly find some moral fibre on the day of the funeral. That doesn't stand up either.

 

And why would the majority of London be apathetic? Plenty of council estates in London. Plenty of deprived areas. Plenty of people on benefits. And I thought Brixton was one of the bigger 'street parties' too. It's not as if the Thatcher haters have ever claimed that the London working class wasn't just as mistreated by Thatcher as the provinces. Hard to see why London would be any different to the regions, if all this hate isn't just some massive overstatement of a bit of poor me crap over lost mines, shipyards and steelworks.

[The Fish 10779]

 

You're not too sharp, are you?

Well, I shan't be drawn into a back-and-forth with you as you are impervious to reason, are impossibly biased and are tedious as they come.

 

So I leave you to your grief and hope you don't die.

[Rayvin 5186]

Actually it was Rayvin.

 

I remember saying that she was conducting a social experiment. And that Hitler did as well. And that both were bad. Which of those points are you disagreeing with?

 

North Korea - violent suppression of protest. UK - violent suppression of protest. You've got no fucking idea whatsoever have you? How are those two things different? Because the Telegraph told you that North Korea are really naughty whereas the miners deserved it?

 

So there you go anyway, my two points above. Please argue that sending police up to violently suppress protests is the action of a democratic regime. If it is not, what sort of regime does it most closely resemble? I've lived in China and they write the same stuff about our violent suppressions as we do about theirs. Curious isn't it? But then they have a state owned broadcaster spewing out propaganda, and we certainly don--oh wait...

 

On the Hitler thing, Thatcher orchestrated wholesale social change to the detriment of entire communities and social groups in order the save the economy on the assumption that they'd all be able to start listening to their inner entrepreneur and boost themselves up the social ladder, knowing that not all of them could and therefore condemning those that couldn't to social ignominy and the creation of an underclass. A social experiment. Hitler on the other hand fostered a strong sense of nationalism in order to save the German economy to the detriment of entire communities and social groups on the assumption that people should be of one race, knowing that not all of them could be, and therefore condemning them to the 'underclass' and then the horrors of the holocaust. A social experiment.

 

DISCLAIMER: Sure, one was a lot worse than the other. Not arguing that point and nor was it insinuated. I was merely arguing that you could call both a social experiment so as to put it into some context. Just because one thing is more or less than another thing, doesn't mean there are no similarities.

[Rayvin 5186]

 

When did it suddenly become hard to get to London on a weekday? Even in Glasgow the 7.30 train gets you into central London by 1pm. That's clearly a non-starter of an excuse for the poor turnout.

 

And when did all those potential Thatcher protesters suddenly find a conscience. Aren't they the same people who held street parties and bought that crappy single while she was being mourned? It's a bit hypocritical of anyone who did that to then suddenly find some moral fibre on the day of the funeral. That doesn't stand up either.

 

And why would the majority of London be apathetic? Plenty of council estates in London. Plenty of deprived areas. Plenty of people on benefits. And I thought Brixton was one of the bigger 'street parties' too. It's not as if the Thatcher haters have ever claimed that the London working class wasn't just as mistreated by Thatcher as the provinces. Hard to see why London would be any different to the regions, if all this hate isn't just some massive overstatement of a bit of poor me crap over lost mines, shipyards and steelworks.

 

I thought it was widely reported that protests were over the weekend as there was a lack of trust on behalf of the protesters that they wouldn't be set upon, kettled and probably beaten by the police. Hence the protests at the weekend.

[Happy Face 29]

 

We're juding the popularity of historical political figures using internet forums and twitter now? Holy fuck.

 

As opposed to judging popularity using the number of people not going out of their way to celebrate publicly at your actual funeral?

 

Daft lad.

 

I prefer the social media approach to yours at the very least....unless you have opinion polls that back you up?

 

 

[The6Bells 0]

I remember saying that she was conducting a social experiment. And that Hitler did as well. And that both were bad. Which of those points are you disagreeing with?

 

North Korea - violent suppression of protest. UK - violent suppression of protest. You've got no fucking idea whatsoever have you? How are those two things different? Because the Telegraph told you that North Korea are really naughty whereas the miners deserved it?

 

So there you go anyway, my two points above. Please argue that sending police up to violently suppress protests is the action of a democratic regime. If it is not, what sort of regime does it most closely resemble? I've lived in China and they write the same stuff about our violent suppressions as we do about theirs. Curious isn't it? But then they have a state owned broadcaster spewing out propaganda, and we certainly don--oh wait...

 

On the Hitler thing, Thatcher orchestrated wholesale social change to the detriment of entire communities and social groups in order the save the economy on the assumption that they'd all be able to start listening to their inner entrepreneur and boost themselves up the social ladder, knowing that not all of them could and therefore condemning those that couldn't to social ignominy and the creation of an underclass. A social experiment. Hitler on the other hand fostered a strong sense of nationalism in order to save the German economy to the detriment of entire communities and social groups on the assumption that people should be of one race, knowing that not all of them could be, and therefore condemning them to the 'underclass' and then the horrors of the holocaust. A social experiment.

 

DISCLAIMER: Sure, one was a lot worse than the other. Not arguing that point and nor was it insinuated. I was merely arguing that you could call both a social experiment so as to put it into some context. Just because one thing is more or less than another thing, doesn't mean there are no similarities.

 

One was a "lot worse" than the other? No, not even close. Let's try and say it with some actual sense of perspective - one involved implementing policies that favoured individualism over dependence on the state, the other involved brainwashing the masses that they were racially superior than the minitories who were to blame for all their ills and were thus rounded up and ghettoised, before eventually being gassed. And North Korea? One involved coppers hitting miners with wooden trunches, while they threw bricks at them, while the other involves suppressing protest without any violence at all - after all who needs violence when you know that as soon as you turn up to a protest, the best outcome is a life sentence in a labour camp.

 

Your intent with these comparisons was obvious, but it backfired because not only were they utterly ridiculous, all it really showed was how ignorant you are of both what happened in terms of policy and protests, as well as your inability to see any of the other less, far less, ridiculous comparisons you could have made.

[The6Bells 0]

As opposed to judging popularity using the number of people not going out of their way to celebrate publicly at your actual funeral?

 

Daft lad.

 

I prefer the social media approach to yours at the very least....unless you have opinion polls that back you up?

 

People predicted major protests. People hoped for major protests. They did not come to pass. The conclusions are obvious, the excuses feeble. Social media is irrelevant, all it tells us is that even when being coordinated and egged on, less then a stadium full of people were moved enough by Thatcher's time in office to spend 79p on a 'protest song'. In the context of a supposedly 'divided nation', that's pathetic.

[The6Bells 0]

I thought it was widely reported that protests were over the weekend as there was a lack of trust on behalf of the protesters that they wouldn't be set upon, kettled and probably beaten by the police. Hence the protests at the weekend.

 

LOL. Surely it goes - kettle - set upon - beat up? In reality though as we all know if we're not being intentionally retarded, it goes kettle - wait - wait - release slowly - justify your actions to a judge because some of the wankers still think you violated their human rights, even though by now 'protestor' tactics have gone well past the point that even the ECJ wouldn't frown on the use of water cannon.

[Happy Face 29]

 

People predicted major protests. People hoped for major protests. They did not come to pass. The conclusions are obvious, the excuses feeble. Social media is irrelevant, all it tells us is that even when being coordinated and egged on, less then a stadium full of people were moved enough by Thatcher's time in office to spend 79p on a 'protest song'. In the context of a supposedly 'divided nation', that's pathetic.

 

You are talking shit.

 

I loathed the woman. I'll criticise her rightly. I would not protest her funeral. That's what scum like the westboro baptist church and Muslim extremists do to soldiers being buried. Some people might have suggested it would happen...but they were wrong about that....not about Thatcher being deeply unpopular.

[The6Bells 0]

You are talking shit.

 

I loathed the woman. I'll criticise her rightly. I would not protest her funeral. That's what scum like the westboro baptist church and Muslim extremists do to soldiers being buried. Some people might have suggested it would happen...but they were wrong about that....not about Thatcher being deeply unpopular.

 

Some? Try many.

[NJS 4375]

 

Some? Try many.

 

It wss people like you and your media who predicted and secretly hoped for mass protests to suit your agenda that those who opposed her were just scum.

 

As it turns out most of us are more decent than you thought so now you try to use the lack to suggest there is no dissent.

 

Wrong.

 

 

[luckyluke 2]

 

 

More ignorance from the haters. Do you even know which government it was who introduced the laws that stop police acting like a private army? Course you don't, you're too busy talking bollocks to learn about stuff like this - as recent protests showed, no matter how much you disrupt society or destroy property as part of a 'protest' these days, the worst you can expect is to be herded together without access to a toilet for a few hours. Oh the inhumanity. Your mates sound like pussies just making excuses to me, if they are indeed as vehement as they claim about their opposition to Thatcher and as active on other protests.

 

I've not spoken to my friends about it; I have no idea if they were planning on going or not. I'm merely stating I'm glad they didn't get involved to give it a personal context. It's all very well people on here wishing that "something" had kicked off but there would have been obvious consequences to that. Not least that the papers would have painted such opposition as inhuman scum, which you're clearly gutted hasn't happened.

[Howmanheyman 32826]

People predicted major protests. People hoped for major protests. They did not come to pass. The conclusions are obvious, the excuses feeble. Social media is irrelevant, all it tells us is that even when being coordinated and egged on, less then a stadium full of people were moved enough by Thatcher's time in office to spend 79p on a 'protest song'. In the context of a supposedly 'divided nation', that's pathetic.

You seem to be working yourself up into a lather about all this. She wasn't liked by large parts of the UK but to prove this I've got to download a song from 'The Wizard of Oz' or get to Central Station and pay for a return ticket to heckle her funeral?

 

 

Are you for fucking real, like? :lol:

[The6Bells 0]

You seem to be working yourself up into a lather about all this. She wasn't liked by large parts of the UK but to prove this I've got to download a song from 'The Wizard of Oz' or get to Central Station and pay for a return ticket to heckle her funeral?

 

 

Are you for fucking real, like? :lol:

 

Well, it's gone from 'divided a nation' to 'not liked by large parts of the UK but not enough to do anything about it' in pretty short order, all apparently because we still live in a nation where police brutality is the norm and the press are simply an organ of state mind control, so yes, if it's between me and the people trying to shovel that crap, I'd say I am the one with reality on his side.

[Gemmill 44498]

You're the one with fucking tedium on his side.

[The6Bells 0]

I've not spoken to my friends about it; I have no idea if they were planning on going or not. I'm merely stating I'm glad they didn't get involved to give it a personal context. It's all very well people on here wishing that "something" had kicked off but there would have been obvious consequences to that. Not least that the papers would have painted such opposition as inhuman scum, which you're clearly gutted hasn't happened.

 

I can hardly be gutted that something you didn't even know was going to happen, didn't happen, not least when you claim the reason it didn't happen is some Orwellian fantasy rather than anything you can actually prove (got any examples of people who are inhuman scum wrongly being labelled as such by the press?).

[The6Bells 0]

It wss people like you and your media who predicted and secretly hoped for mass protests to suit your agenda that those who opposed her were just scum.

 

As it turns out most of us are more decent than you thought so now you try to use the lack to suggest there is no dissent.

 

Wrong.

 

Or....they just didn't hate Thatcher as much as you think, or in the numbers you think. Only action would have proved your point, inaction proves nothing. Claiming that people who hated Thatcher would remotely care if the right wing press think they're scum is frankly just make believe bullshit. And there were plenty of things all these supposedly decent objectors could have done that wouldn't have made them look like 'scum' and thus fall into the evil press' trap, it's just inconvenient for bullshit peddlers like yourself that all the incidents of actual 'protest' in the sense of go out and acutally do or say something, have all been proper scummy.