Thatcher Dead

[trophyshy 7073]

Is teaching kids about how Westminster works posh to you?

 

What did you make of our recent capitulation to our local rivals at St James' Park?

[The6Bells 0]

the queen is a cunt.

 

Says who? You? Who cares. Next you'll be claiming that the majority of the UK would rather have a republic (odd that - there were more 'protestors' at the Jubilee than at Thatchers funeral. And yet you can count the number of republicans in the UK on one hand. So, even taking into account that they might not all be disrespectful cunts, the anti-Thacther brigade simply didn't turn out today, suggesting that they simply don't exist in the numbers being claimed).

[RedfernMag 0]

Is teaching kids about how Westminster works posh to you?

 

Westminster works?

[The6Bells 0]

What did you make of our recent capitulation to our local rivals at St James' Park?

 

Aside from the angle of comparing the impact of a charismatic leader on an underperforming entity, what's that got to do with the price of fish?

[The6Bells 0]

Westminster works?

 

Better than the alternatives, past or present.

[RedfernMag 0]

Better than the alternatives, past or present.

 

what about future?

[trophyshy 7073]

Aside from the angle of comparing the impact of a charismatic leader on an underperforming entity, what's that got to do with the price of fish?

 

I was trying to goad you into discussing football on a football forum.

[RedfernMag 0]

Aside from the angle of comparing the impact of a charismatic leader on an underperforming entity, what's that got to do with the price of fish?

 

Charismatic leader eh? I bet you've got red & white pyjamas

[RedfernMag 0]

Edited April 17, 2013 by RedfernMag

[The6Bells 0]

protesting at a funeral just isn't cricket is it? and it's not very british. that's the majority of those that hate thatcher didn't turn up. and the facebook download campaign, while amusing, was a bit childish for most to bother with.

 

you only have to open your eyes and read the social commentary out there though to see just how she divided us. she turned this country from a society that cared for each other into a nation of individuals in a race to the top. it's a path we haven't diverted from much through labour and tory governments since. and there are lots of people still unhappy at that.

 

A society that cared for each other? Listen to yourself for fucks sake. It's rose tinted bollocks. You're talking about the same society that saw looting of second world war bomb sites. Oh no, did your social commentators never teach you that part of our glorious history? I wonder why. As for Thatcher not caring...did she cut the NHS? Did she fuck. Did she actually make any welfare cuts? Did she fuck. She cared about people in genuine need, and she cared about people who cared enough about themselves to get ahead in life through their own hard work rather than relying on some outdated fantasy that the state owes you a living as well as a life. She didn't care about the people who tried to undermine this country's collective future out of their own selfish self-interest, dressed up as concern for society (aka, socialism). There is no "lots" about it, there is only some. And some is evidently not enough to change anything either then or now, or to even register as a notable protest, even when considering the vast majority of the supposed majority might be decent enough to respect a funeral (but not decent enough to condemn those that didn't, apparently).

[The6Bells 0]

I was trying to goad you into discussing football on a football forum.

 

You might have better luck if you actually go to the football forum if that's what you're after. This is for "general chat", specifically, "Thatcher Dead".

[trophyshy 7073]

You might have better luck if you actually go to the football forum if that's what you're after. This is for "general chat", specifically, "Thatcher Dead".

 

The only topic of interest to you.

[RedfernMag 0]

A society that cared for each other? Listen to yourself for fucks sake. It's rose tinted bollocks. You're talking about the same society that saw looting of second world war bomb sites. Oh no, did your social commentators never teach you that part of our glorious history? I wonder why. As for Thatcher not caring...did she cut the NHS? Did she fuck. Did she actually make any welfare cuts? Did she fuck. She cared about people in genuine need, and she cared about people who cared enough about themselves to get ahead in life through their own hard work rather than relying on some outdated fantasy that the state owes you a living as well as a life. She didn't care about the people who tried to undermine this country's collective future out of their own selfish self-interest, dressed up as concern for society (aka, socialism). There is no "lots" about it, there is only some. And some is evidently not enough to change anything either then or now, or to even register as a notable protest, even when considering the vast majority of the supposed majority might be decent enough to respect a funeral (but not decent enough to condemn those that didn't, apparently).

 

Simplicity is the tool of the fool.

[The6Bells 0]

what about future?

 

It would seem so. PR didn't exactly catch the people's imagination, did it?

[The6Bells 0]

The only topic of interest to you.

 

And? Is there some kind of law against that? Have I broken the rules of the Social Democratic Repulic of Toontastic by focussing on only one thread?

[The6Bells 0]

Simplicity is the tool of the fool.

 

You're a poet and you didn't know it.

[The6Bells 0]

Charismatic leader eh? I bet you've got red & white pyjamas

 

You're thinking about my pyjamas? Whatever floats your boat...

[The6Bells 0]

 

Aye, she's wildly popular, every other forum, Facebook, Twitter etc, they're all full of praise, just this corner of the internet that's warped.

 

We're juding the popularity of historical political figures using internet forums and twitter now? Holy fuck.

[trophyshy 7073]

And? Is there some kind of law against that? Have I broken the rules of the Social Democratic Repulic of Toontastic by focussing on only one thread?

 

It's the only reason you are here, you joined when she died and returned for her funeral. There's certainly no law against being weird though, if that's what you mean.

 

See you on October 13th then.

[TheMoog 0]

Chuff me, you lot aren't still banging on about this are you? Definitely not obsessed at all

[Meenzer 15432]

I'd find it a bit odd if we weren't, given the circumstances!

[The6Bells 0]

Ah, and to cap it all off today, to put the centrepiece on this nonsense that Thatcher 'divided the nation', we need to look no further than the trusty NUM for a window into the difference between historical reality, and socialist propaganda.

 

As most will no doubt be aware, there was an event today to commemorate 20 years since Easington pit closed. They were at pains to say it wasn't a party to celebrate Thatcher's death. That was possibly for the media, but as it turned out, attendees confirmed that her name wasn't even mentioned inside the club during the event. Quite right too. Perhaps they, as historians have with unanimity confirmed, had with the benefit of hindsight realised that the closure of such pits was inevitable, a process started well before Thatcher for sound economic reasons (not, as someone laughingly claimed earlier, simply because they were all death traps, as if that was not also something to be alarmed about in a 1970s economy).

 

Granted, there were some people there with witty messages on handmade placards and bed sheets outside, but I seriously doubt those people were part of the 'community' marking the closure of the pit in this event, rather than just more of the same who've 'protested' against Thatcher recently in other momentous ways, like downloading silly songs and 'partying' in the street in less numbers than would fill a single stadium. The fact there wasn't a grey haired weather worn face amongst them spoke volumes. Their unemployed miner dads can't all have died of a broken heart in the 80s, surely? Since a lot attended this event, obviously not.

 

So, that's all in line with what's been seen across the rest of the country regarding the memory of Thatcher. Some blowhards, but a precious lack of historical reality, or even credence, in their number.

 

But what's this? Who did we have on the news tonight? Someone from the NUM outside the club. At last, an opportunity for some real historical recollection drawn from the no doubt huge institutional memory of such an institution, from the days of the actual dispute. But no. Rather than treating us with anything historically interesting about the role of Easington pit, or even telling us anything about what role he even has today, or even introducing us to the old lady who was interviewed afterwards and was actually part of the strike as a tea lady in one of the soup kitchens. No, none of that from this guy. All he was interested in was just yapping his gums about how the funeral today was like an event you would see in North Korea, and claiming that there'd be not a single tear shed outside London today. Both claims which even the most ardent Thatcher hater should if they don't want to be seen as a total idiot, recognise as ludicrous. He came across as what he undoubtedly is. Bitter, delusional, irrelevant.

 

Divided a nation indeed. More like saved the rest of us from having our lives influenced in any significant way any longer by scumbags like that. That's why Thatcher was a great leader. That's why the NUM were defeated. Throughly defeated. That's why old school socialism will never darken the doors of this country again. When people like him dies (to no great public mouring no doubt), it will die too.

 

As she so rightly said, there was no alternative. But it's a free country, so you can download your songs, make your jokes, spread your lies, and yes, even cry your crocodile tears for a past that never even existed. But for the sake of your own dignity more than anything else, it would be better if you could just fucking deal with it in a way that doesn't make the rest of us embarassed to be British.

[Howmanheyman 32826]

[Christmas Tree 4711]

Ah, and to cap it all off today, to put the centrepiece on this nonsense that Thatcher 'divided the nation', we need to look no further than the trusty NUM for a window into the difference between historical reality, and socialist propaganda.

 

As most will no doubt be aware, there was an event today to commemorate 20 years since Easington pit closed. They were at pains to say it wasn't a party to celebrate Thatcher's death. That was possibly for the media, but as it turned out, attendees confirmed that her name wasn't even mentioned inside the club during the event. Quite right too. Perhaps they, as historians have with unanimity confirmed, had with the benefit of hindsight realised that the closure of such pits was inevitable, a process started well before Thatcher for sound economic reasons (not, as someone laughingly claimed earlier, simply because they were all death traps, as if that was not also something to be alarmed about in a 1970s economy).

 

Granted, there were some people there with witty messages on handmade placards and bed sheets outside, but I seriously doubt those people were part of the 'community' marking the closure of the pit in this event, rather than just more of the same who've 'protested' against Thatcher recently in other momentous ways, like downloading silly songs and 'partying' in the street in less numbers than would fill a single stadium. The fact there wasn't a grey haired weather worn face amongst them spoke volumes. Their unemployed miner dads can't all have died of a broken heart in the 80s, surely? Since a lot attended this event, obviously not.

 

So, that's all in line with what's been seen across the rest of the country regarding the memory of Thatcher. Some blowhards, but a precious lack of historical reality, or even credence, in their number.

 

But what's this? Who did we have on the news tonight? Someone from the NUM outside the club. At last, an opportunity for some real historical recollection drawn from the no doubt huge institutional memory of such an institution, from the days of the actual dispute. But no. Rather than treating us with anything historically interesting about the role of Easington pit, or even telling us anything about what role he even has today, or even introducing us to the old lady who was interviewed afterwards and was actually part of the strike as a tea lady in one of the soup kitchens. No, none of that from this guy. All he was interested in was just yapping his gums about how the funeral today was like an event you would see in North Korea, and claiming that there'd be not a single tear shed outside London today. Both claims which even the most ardent Thatcher hater should if they don't want to be seen as a total idiot, recognise as ludicrous. He came across as what he undoubtedly is. Bitter, delusional, irrelevant.

 

Divided a nation indeed. More like saved the rest of us from having our lives influenced in any significant way any longer by scumbags like that. That's why Thatcher was a great leader. That's why the NUM were defeated. Throughly defeated. That's why old school socialism will never darken the doors of this country again. When people like him dies (to no great public mouring no doubt), it will die too.

 

As she so rightly said, there was no alternative. But it's a free country, so you can download your songs, make your jokes, spread your lies, and yes, even cry your crocodile tears for a past that never even existed. But for the sake of your own dignity more than anything else, it would be better if you could just fucking deal with it in a way that doesn't make the rest of us embarassed to be British.

 

Good post that.

[Brock Manson 0]

Ah, and to cap it all off today, to put the centrepiece on this nonsense that Thatcher 'divided the nation', we need to look no further than the trusty NUM for a window into the difference between historical reality, and socialist propaganda.

 

As most will no doubt be aware, there was an event today to commemorate 20 years since Easington pit closed. They were at pains to say it wasn't a party to celebrate Thatcher's death. That was possibly for the media, but as it turned out, attendees confirmed that her name wasn't even mentioned inside the club during the event. Quite right too. Perhaps they, as historians have with unanimity confirmed, had with the benefit of hindsight realised that the closure of such pits was inevitable, a process started well before Thatcher for sound economic reasons (not, as someone laughingly claimed earlier, simply because they were all death traps, as if that was not also something to be alarmed about in a 1970s economy).

 

Granted, there were some people there with witty messages on handmade placards and bed sheets outside, but I seriously doubt those people were part of the 'community' marking the closure of the pit in this event, rather than just more of the same who've 'protested' against Thatcher recently in other momentous ways, like downloading silly songs and 'partying' in the street in less numbers than would fill a single stadium. The fact there wasn't a grey haired weather worn face amongst them spoke volumes. Their unemployed miner dads can't all have died of a broken heart in the 80s, surely? Since a lot attended this event, obviously not.

 

So, that's all in line with what's been seen across the rest of the country regarding the memory of Thatcher. Some blowhards, but a precious lack of historical reality, or even credence, in their number.

 

But what's this? Who did we have on the news tonight? Someone from the NUM outside the club. At last, an opportunity for some real historical recollection drawn from the no doubt huge institutional memory of such an institution, from the days of the actual dispute. But no. Rather than treating us with anything historically interesting about the role of Easington pit, or even telling us anything about what role he even has today, or even introducing us to the old lady who was interviewed afterwards and was actually part of the strike as a tea lady in one of the soup kitchens. No, none of that from this guy. All he was interested in was just yapping his gums about how the funeral today was like an event you would see in North Korea, and claiming that there'd be not a single tear shed outside London today. Both claims which even the most ardent Thatcher hater should if they don't want to be seen as a total idiot, recognise as ludicrous. He came across as what he undoubtedly is. Bitter, delusional, irrelevant.

 

Divided a nation indeed. More like saved the rest of us from having our lives influenced in any significant way any longer by scumbags like that. That's why Thatcher was a great leader. That's why the NUM were defeated. Throughly defeated. That's why old school socialism will never darken the doors of this country again. When people like him dies (to no great public mouring no doubt), it will die too.

 

As she so rightly said, there was no alternative. But it's a free country, so you can download your songs, make your jokes, spread your lies, and yes, even cry your crocodile tears for a past that never even existed. But for the sake of your own dignity more than anything else, it would be better if you could just fucking deal with it in a way that doesn't make the rest of us embarassed to be British.