Thatcher Dead

[The Mighty Hog 523]

Enjoyed this one from Andrew Collins:

http://wherediditallgorightblog.wordpress.com/2013/04/10/tramp-the-dirt-down/

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Another interesting graph from Krugman....

 

[Park Life 71]

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http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/margaret-thatchers-funeral-will-have-a-falklands-war-theme-downing-street-reveals-8567251.html

 

FFS.

[Howmanheyman 33282]

Absolutely superb speech by Jackson and glad she recognises the selfishness that is creeping back with the horror show that is the Tory leadership.

[Howmanheyman 33282]

Nice to also see some fat Tory Toad who I've never heard of but who must have done this country some special service as he's been made a Knight of the Realm trying to make a point of order and being told he'd dropped a bollock by the Speaker.

Edited April 10, 2013 by Howmanheyman

[Howmanheyman 33282]

Here's my own touching tribute just to balance things in the interest of fairness.

 

Goodbye 6bells Rose

Though he never knew you at all

He had the grace to make a twat of himself

While David Mellor crawled

They crawled out of the woodwork

And they whispered into your brain

They said she's a Witch

And you said you knew their game

 

And it seems to me you lived your life

With your morals in the bin

Never knowing what to cling to

When the truth set in

And I would have killed to tell you

But I was just a kid

My interest burned out long before

Your shit craic ever did

Edited April 10, 2013 by Howmanheyman

[Renton 21643]

Absolutely superb speech by Jackson and glad she recognises the selfishness that is creeping back with the horror show that is the Tory leadership.

 

[Monkeys Fist 42481]

Here's my own touching tribute just to balance things in the interest of fairness.

 

Goodbye 6bells Rose

Though he never knew you at all

He had the grace to make a twat of himself

While David Mellor crawled

They crawled out of the woodwork

And they whispered into your brain

They said she's a Witch

And you said you knew their game

 

And it seems to me you lived your life

With your morals in the bin

Never knowing what to cling to

When the truth set in

And I would have killed to tell you

But I was just a kid

My interest burned out long before

Your shit craic ever did

[The6Bells 0]

Who is this even supposed to be aimed at? Second time in this thread you've mentioned the Belgrano apropos of nothing. No-one has mentioned her being a war criminal either....except you.

 

For you to say "Maybe just a tiny bit of projection going on there methinks." strikes me as ironic. Given you "protest too much".

 

It's aimed at the generic Thatcher hater, who in my experience have formed their opinions of her based on a core set of a few touchtsones, that funnily enough, all turn out to be bullcrap when you do the most basic of research and y'know, start to operate like an independent individual with a free will, rather than a socialist sheep

 

* Sinking the Belgrano was an unjustified war crime (nope, even the Argie admiral thought this was bullcrap)

* She supported appartheid (nope, unless you want to ignore the black African leaders of the time)

* She decimated manufacturing (nope, Parky's pic claims "by half", for instance, total and uttler bollocks, yet he's the fool talking about 'propaganda')

* She closed all the mines (nope - the best yet, the last deep mine closed this year, and Callaghan closed more than she ever did)

* She faced down the unions (not a lie, just really hilarious it's even brought up as a bad thing, as it's probably the biggest single reason she was elected for, and like it or lump it, you don't get elected in this country if you're only supported by the upper and middle class)

 

By the way, is there anyone here who can personally testify to one of the other biggest whoppers, the 'destroyed' communities canard. Speaking for myself, well, there's a former pit slag heap 300 yards from my back gate, and there's at least three others within a short walk. I'm fucking ecstatic I wasn't expected to go down one. Yet my community is thriving, still largely white, still largely working class, the housing is not run down or decrepit. And I still drink in the working mens club my parents and grandparents generations did.

 

What these people mean when they say, destroyed a community, what they really mean, they changed the employment profile. Well, perhaps maybe next time, people won't be so stupid as to create entire communities around a single industry. Never forget, 300 years ago most of these communites never even bloody existed, and when they did spring up, it was at the expense of people leaving the countryside. No doubt back then the remaining village muggles were bitching and moaning about how George Stephenson et al were destroying communities. Did the government of the day pour billions into the local farmers welfare? Give them all a new scyth and milk pale out of taxpayers pockets? Did they fuck.

[The6Bells 0]

Your ideology died in 2008.

 

As for Maggie, I've always had a soft spot for those Tibetan shamans that used to turn the thigh bones of murderers and the lowest of criminals into musical instruments, they would blow through these bone trumpets to summon the spirit of the dead individual so that they could never rest.

 

Shame she's being cremated, would of been canny passing them around for the bairns to blow on at christmas.

 

2008? The socialists are a little bit too pissed off about their current lot even now for that to be even remotely true. What's "Red" Ed going to do if he gets in exactly? He'll not build a single council house. He'll not repeal a single union law. He'll not nationalise a single industry. He'll not reshape the tax regime in any way that will be remotely noticeable. He'll tackle the defecit by demanding 17% cuts instead of 20%. Probably the only major way he'll depart from Thatcherism, is to relegate Britain to a second rank don't rock the boat member of the increasingly federalist EU.

[Park Life 71]

"Muggles".

[Park Life 71]

 

2008? The socialists are a little bit too pissed off about their current lot even now for that to be even remotely true. What's "Red" Ed going to do if he gets in exactly? He'll not build a single council house. He'll not repeal a single union law. He'll not nationalise a single industry. He'll not reshape the tax regime in any way that will be remotely noticeable. He'll tackle the defecit by demanding 17% cuts instead of 20%. Probably the only major way he'll depart from Thatcherism, is to relegate Britain to a second rank don't rock the boat member of the increasingly federalist EU.

 

Why do you think we're all dyed in the wool socialists? I categorise most on here as soft left.

[The6Bells 0]

soft left.

 

On what scale? Pre-Thatcher or Post-Thatcher.

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http://www.independe...ls-8567251.html

 

FFS.

 

One of the commenters thinks that the servicemen who'll be involved are being taken away from their 'leave from Afghanistan'.

 

This is the intellectual standard of most Thatcher haters, and no doubt 100% of the street partiers. Thick as fucking mince, never knowing a thing about the subject they profess to speak about, and more crucially, certain enough of it to make the sort of comparisons of Thatcher's era to some of the most vile dictators that ever lived.

 

A 26 year old knobend on the radio today even claimed she was behind Iraq. And fucking repeated it even when told politely by the presenter that he's maybe got himself a little confused (it wasn't a mistake, he hadn't confused it for the Falklands for example). It's fucking planks like this that swallow the stuff about decimated industries and regurgitate it, like little Morrissey spawn. The way people go on, you'd think Thatcher was the sort to have proposed removing the vote from piss stains like this, yet quite the reverse.

[The6Bells 0]

Is Ed Milliband soft left btw? He's soft that's for sure, but left? Not in Pre-Thatcher terms, not by a long chalk.

[Park Life 71]

On what scale? Pre-Thatcher or Post-Thatcher.

 

Soft left is to the left of Blair and Brown. Some on here like Gemmill are 'money men' circulating in the rarifyied circles of the banking world, entertaining people with his gym patois. Chez is a world class economist - gets flown around the world business class to slap people around with his giant brain and ramble about various expensive Lamb dishes...Renton is a buyer for an NHS trust - if he ever did imagine he was a socialist he probably realises he isn't one in the true sense of the word...None of us are..It's not because of Thatch it's because we understand the need for a mixed economy, social democracy has moved on. But we also would like to think we have a functioning moral compass. I just pretend the last bit though..

[Park Life 71]

Is Ed Milliband soft left btw? He's soft that's for sure, but left? Not in Pre-Thatcher terms, not by a long chalk.

 

Milliband for me is a blair clone. He is probably in the darkest of night slightly right of center where Blair grazed.

[Park Life 71]

If you really understood your socialism you'd realise it was the invention of an intellectual middle class...Lennin, Marx, Engels, Trotsky, that German woman I can't remember the name of, the Fabian society (the steering group for Labour)...None of these boys were workers in the old sense of the word. All well educated thinkers. Socialism was never the invention of the working class. Even the French revolution as it's quaintly referred to...All middle class thinkers and well dressed to boot.

 

If you really looked into it Oxford and Cambridge turn out as many as many 'socialists' as 'conservatives'.

 

How many front benchers or Labour ministers have been working class since the war? Not many bro.

 

Blair had as good an education (Posh religious school in Scotland before Uni) as Cameron.

 

Please don't embarress yourself on here futher without taking course to some book learnin...

Edited April 10, 2013 by Park Life

[The Fish 10876]

Hasn't this tedious boorish twat fucked off yet?

[The6Bells 0]

Soft left is to the left of Blair and Brown. Some on here like Gemmill are 'money men' circulating in the rarifyied circles of the banking world, entertaining people with his gym patois. Chez is a world class economist - gets flown around the world business class to slap people around with his giant brain and ramble about various expensive Lamb dishes...Renton is a buyer for an NHS trust - if he ever did imagine he was a socialist he probably realises he isn't one in the true sense of the word...None of us are..It's not because of Thatch it's because we understand the need for a mixed economy, social democracy has moved on. But we also would like to think we have a functioning moral compass. I just pretend the last bit though..

 

I can never hear the phrase social democrat without having a little chuckle remembering the SDP. They would be left of blair and brown in this era. You've got no home now, not Labour or the Lib Dems. What you need is an English version of the SNP. The English National Party. I think it's got legs.....

[Rayvin 5227]

I can never hear the phrase social democrat without having a little chuckle remembering the SDP. They would be left of blair and brown in this era. You've got no home now, not Labour or the Lib Dems. What you need is an English version of the SNP. The English National Party. I think it's got legs.....

 

If Scotland leave the UK, is that a victory for Thatcher or a victory for those broken spirited socialists who you seem to think are lost in modern society? I'd say she was one of the prime causes for their disillusionment with the UK.

 

Also, spare me the tirade about how they'll fail if they leave; they may do, but at least they're not willing to take it up the arse from London any more.

[Park Life 71]

I can never hear the phrase social democrat without having a little chuckle remembering the SDP. They would be left of blair and brown in this era. You've got no home now, not Labour or the Lib Dems. What you need is an English version of the SNP. The English National Party. I think it's got legs.....

 

Our home dear boy is ideas.

Edited April 10, 2013 by Park Life

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Can any of his 102 posts be found outside the walls of this thread?