Monkeys Fist 41477 Posted April 10, 2013 Share Posted April 10, 2013 Try to read this without your jaw hitting the floor in disbelief. http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/22078110 It includes this gem - Margaret Thatcher's former sports minister, Richard Tracey, shared that view and told 5 live: "Frankly I think it's rather cheap that they decided not to show any sort of respect for her, because, to be honest, she did really deliver what football is today, particularly with the Taylor report, and the all-seater stadia. "Football was in a bad way when she was prime minister, and we saw all the changes in her time, and they should pay tribute to that." Fuck Me Gently Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trophyshy 7066 Posted April 10, 2013 Author Share Posted April 10, 2013 Try to read this without your jaw hitting the floor in disbelief. http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/22078110 It includes this gem - Fuck Me Gently Even MVB is humbled by her achievements. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The6Bells 0 Posted April 10, 2013 Share Posted April 10, 2013 http://m.guardian.co...rgaret-thatcher Bit of a cheek for a man of Brand's character to be questioning whether she was a good mother. Has he met them? Has any of the haters read, seen, heard or experienced first hand anything that would justify them making claims about how good a mother she was. If Marc's penchant for gun rinning in his adult life is to be commented on here, what does the fact that he was a theiving drug addict say about how a good a mother he had? As for the rest, he rather dissappointingly seems to have swallowed a lot of the socialist propaganda without any kind of critical analysis. Stuff like the Belgrano and Apartheid in the end do just come down to basic historical fact, but just how does one go about proving/disproving that a government taught that "suffering is deserved and shameful" anyway? Maybe just a tiny bit of projection going on there methinks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The6Bells 0 Posted April 10, 2013 Share Posted April 10, 2013 Good for you father! http://m.guardian.co...ed-racist-views He's obviously unware that in Britain even the Labour party is now "racist", if that's his definition. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Fish 10542 Posted April 10, 2013 Share Posted April 10, 2013 You're bad at comprehending. Try harder. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meenzer 15191 Posted April 10, 2013 Share Posted April 10, 2013 (btw don't click that link, I literally just made it up, I have no idea if it goes anywhere, so don't blame me if it's goat porn or something) That's quite funny. More of that please. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meenzer 15191 Posted April 10, 2013 Share Posted April 10, 2013 This is still terrific. A different era for politics and for political journalism. http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/1990/nov/23/past.conservatives Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The6Bells 0 Posted April 10, 2013 Share Posted April 10, 2013 A rare moment of insight from a liverpool fan "The fact she had died is no cause for celebration. She's got away with it. She's done a jimmy Saville." Shame it seems to have been ignored within literally hundreds of yahoos and yipees (well, stronger than that, but you get the idea) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meenzer 15191 Posted April 10, 2013 Share Posted April 10, 2013 A rare moment of insight from a liverpool fan "The fact she had died is no cause for celebration. She's got away with it. She's done a jimmy Saville." Shame it seems to have been ignored within literally hundreds of yahoos and yipees (well, stronger than that, but you get the idea) All this demonstrates - yet again - is that you've entirely misunderstood the tone and nature of the responses to which you refer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gemmill 43118 Posted April 10, 2013 Share Posted April 10, 2013 Ah no, not just finish a tea or want to coordinate your break with mates, that's reasonable. But I am talking about people who would literally leave a job at the precise second, and not return until the precise second. And wouldn't even answer a work related question if they were 'on a break'. And they would also adjust the speed with which they worked, and yes, even the speed at which they waddled their fat asses along the shop floor, in order to acheive this level of extreme selfishness. It sometimes didn't even matter if that left the plant in an unsafe condition. As for a statement like "You don't get holidays and rights etc because your companies shareholders care, you get them through historical agreements won by those unions you hate.", well, come on, that's being a bit revisionist, and then some. The concept of workers rights predates the concept of unions by about 2 centuries. Given the fact the only lawmakers around at the time were most definitely not the working class, just who the bollocks do you think were behind this drive to improve the lot of the workers? Unions played a part later on, but for much of this early history they caused as much death and suffering as any of the agreements they secured saved. By the time of the 18th Century, unions were not the sole protectors of rights, and to claim otherwise is ludicrous, and ignores the existence of people like Bourneville and many other enlightened industrialists (which, by the way, were just a modern version of the patrons and guild masters that came before them). The Liberals did as much for latter developments than the unions, or the eventual Labour Party, easily. By the 1970s, they had no role at all, not in the sense that without them there would be no way for workers rights to be protected and advanced, whilst also allowing businesses to actually operate. Finally, it doesn't even make sense to talk about holidays and rights in the same breath as union agreements in the modern era, they are two different things. I had rights and holidays in that factory, and that had absolutely nothing to do with the modern day union's agreements or activities. It actually made me laugh when I was able to arrange an ad hoc day off here and there in a way that went way beyond their statutory obligations, but which they did because there was an atmoshpere of mutual benefit and respect between us and our section of management because we worked in a way that benefitted the company as much as looked out for our own interests, something the idiot fitters were unble to do because of their cast iron agreement they had bravely secured with their part of the management. Pillocks. I also never even had the heart to tell them I was being paid more than they were too at my age. Despite the management having conned them into thinking they still used 'grades' in our section, in reality you got paid what you were worth in a free market. Which, for a lazy fat fitter it turns out, wasn't much. Thrilling. You should keep this stuff for your memoirs, not waste it on us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The6Bells 0 Posted April 10, 2013 Share Posted April 10, 2013 This is brilliant. http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/tomchiversscience/100211373/do-the-swp-and-the-hard-left-hate-margaret-thatcher-for-same-reason-that-liverpool-fans-hate-sir-alex-ferguson/?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter Thatcher haters and liverpool fans - two peas of the same deluded self-pitying pod. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The6Bells 0 Posted April 10, 2013 Share Posted April 10, 2013 All this demonstrates - yet again - is that you've entirely misunderstood the tone and nature of the responses to which you refer. The tone and nature is one of jubilation and vitriol, that's just obvious and isn't really open to any misinterpretation at all. Go look for yourself, they're not exactly hard to understand, their views of the world are as black and white as our strip. Although that might be affected by their rather fascist approach to forum moderation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The6Bells 0 Posted April 10, 2013 Share Posted April 10, 2013 The thing that gets me most is that people have had, what?, nearly 30 years to find out for themselves the basic facts about touchstone Thatcher issues like the Belgrano, plenty of time in which to judge whether she is a 'brutal and heartless war criminal', yet people still talk utter bollocks about it to this day. If people want to be taken seriously in politics and get their deceased beliefs back into the mainstream, then they really need to wake up realise that if you want to know the truth about someone like Thatcher, you don't start and finish your research by reading the posts of a moron like Morrissey. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Howmanheyman 32008 Posted April 10, 2013 Share Posted April 10, 2013 The Mackems obsession with NUFC is fuck all compared to yours with getting a rise out of those that can't stand Thatcher and her party. Fair play to you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kid Dynamite 6875 Posted April 10, 2013 Share Posted April 10, 2013 I'm already sick of foreigners condemning people being happy she's deed. Dietmar Hamann for fucks sake, claiming she must be good cos people voted her in!? This is a German bloke remember, fairly sure they have a history of voting right wingers in and then regretting it too. They read a Wikipedia page and think they are political commentators. Geri Halliwell can fuck off to Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renton 20557 Posted April 10, 2013 Share Posted April 10, 2013 I'm already sick of foreigners condemning people being happy she's deed. Dietmar Hamann for fucks sake, claiming she must be good cos people voted her in!? This is a German bloke remember, fairly sure they have a history of voting right wingers in and then regretting it too. They read a Wikipedia page and think they are political commentators. Geri Halliwell can fuck off to I'm not on Twitter but someone should definitely remind him Hitler was originally voted in. I see Whelan wants a one minute silence at football this week. Be interesting to see how that pans out, not going to happen though as Wigan are at Wembley I think. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meenzer 15191 Posted April 10, 2013 Share Posted April 10, 2013 The tone and nature is one of jubilation and vitriol, that's just obvious and isn't really open to any misinterpretation at all. Go look for yourself, they're not exactly hard to understand, their views of the world are as black and white as our strip. Although that might be affected by their rather fascist approach to forum moderation. Aw, bless, self-hatred as the cherry on the cake. Sorry you're not clever enough to understand. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renton 20557 Posted April 10, 2013 Share Posted April 10, 2013 Aw, bless, self-hatred as the cherry on the cake. Sorry you're not clever enough to understand. And the point to understand could have hardly been more basic. Comprehension and logic are lost on this guy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewerk 29737 Posted April 10, 2013 Share Posted April 10, 2013 I see Whelan wants a one minute silence at football this week. Be interesting to see how that pans out, not going to happen though as Wigan are at Wembley I think. As has John Madejski. As Reading are playing Liverpool they're already holding a minute's silence for the Hillsborough anniversary, I'd love to see Liverpool's reaction if Reading suggest sharing it with the memory of Thatcher. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gemmill 43118 Posted April 10, 2013 Share Posted April 10, 2013 I'm already sick of foreigners condemning people being happy she's deed. Dietmar Hamann for fucks sake, claiming she must be good cos people voted her in!? This is a German bloke remember, fairly sure they have a history of voting right wingers in and then regretting it too. They read a Wikipedia page and think they are political commentators. Geri Halliwell can fuck off to Has that stupid irrelevant cunt reduced it to an argument about Girl Power by any chance? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meenzer 15191 Posted April 10, 2013 Share Posted April 10, 2013 Has that stupid irrelevant cunt reduced it to an argument about Girl Power by any chance? The lost sixth member. Squinty Spice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Face 29 Posted April 10, 2013 Share Posted April 10, 2013 The thing that gets me most is that people have had, what?, nearly 30 years to find out for themselves the basic facts about touchstone Thatcher issues like the Belgrano, plenty of time in which to judge whether she is a 'brutal and heartless war criminal', yet people still talk utter bollocks about it to this day. If people want to be taken seriously in politics and get their deceased beliefs back into the mainstream, then they really need to wake up realise that if you want to know the truth about someone like Thatcher, you don't start and finish your research by reading the posts of a moron like Morrissey. Who is this even supposed to be aimed at? Second time in this thread you've mentioned the Belgrano apropos of nothing. No-one has mentioned her being a war criminal either....except you. For you to say "Maybe just a tiny bit of projection going on there methinks." strikes me as ironic. Given you "protest too much". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kid Dynamite 6875 Posted April 10, 2013 Share Posted April 10, 2013 I'm not on Twitter but someone should definitely remind him Hitler was originally voted in. I see Whelan wants a one minute silence at football this week. Be interesting to see how that pans out, not going to happen though as Wigan are at Wembley I think. First thing I said to him Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kid Dynamite 6875 Posted April 10, 2013 Share Posted April 10, 2013 Has that stupid irrelevant cunt reduced it to an argument about Girl Power by any chance? She did. Then got grief for it so apologised and deleted her tweet. Girl Power Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McFaul 35 Posted April 10, 2013 Share Posted April 10, 2013 I'm not on Twitter but someone should definitely remind him Hitler was originally voted in. I see Whelan wants a one minute silence at football this week. Be interesting to see how that pans out, not going to happen though as Wigan are at Wembley I think. I did in a round about way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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