Thatcher Dead

[The6Bells 0]

Genuine frontier gibberish - please try again.

 

Maybe read it slower? With a dictionary to hand.

[Christmas Tree 4729]

I would like to see some of our older posters such as CT form a riposte to this balanced post.

 

Us younguns could really learn something.

 

I would seriously suggest you watch Newsnight at 10.30pm BBC 2. I of course have no idea what its going to say but usually its quite a balanced news story and will have a good range of views for you to take in.

[The6Bells 0]

It has no frontiers you should have said.

 

Money chases profit and industry chases cheap labour...Countries are left behind. Look up Gatt. Your masters have been having a laugh with you as they did Thatcher (a plaything).

 

 

The lizard people are hard masters indeed.

 

No frontiers indeed. What's that thing the EU introduced? Them dastardly socialists and their frontier enforcing ways.

[Tom 14013]

I regularly watch newsnight. It's not exactly new to me.

 

I just think you choose your arguments & move the goal posts when someone rumbles you.

[NJS 4389]

No you wouldnt.

 

First of all its Parky

 

Secondly, Its parky

 

Everyone right or left now looks back and realises Britain was fucked pre Thatcher. Whatever random quotes Parky throws your way, the unions wrecked havoc and could not see that we needed to change if we had any chance of competing in the big wide world.

 

They sat like King Canut as the forces of cheap third world labour drifted over their heads. They were interested in that years pay settlement and not 2, 5, 10 years down the line.

 

The whole country was fucked off with the the Labour government and the unions grip in 1979 which is why they were kicked out of power, never to return for 18 years. (And even when they did return it was Tory Labour).

 

I love the idea that the country was fucked then as soon as she came in it became fixed - where the fuck were you in the 80s? - how were they in anyway better than the 70s? How is the North East in any way shape or form now better off than it was? Where is this successful country of which you speak?

 

She destroyed the unions then what? - destroyed the industries which hosted them and replaced them with service shite and housing bubbles and fucking city traders which turned out great.

[PaddockLad 17290]

I would seriously suggest you watch Newsnight at 10.30pm BBC 2. I of course have no idea what its going to say but usually its quite a balanced news story and will have a good range of views for you to take in.

Which you then decide is shite after reading the following morning's Sun and usually post what it says on here

[Park Life 71]

The lizard people are hard masters indeed.

 

No frontiers indeed. What's that thing the EU introduced? Them dastardly socialists and their frontier enforcing ways.

 

I'll make it easy for you.

 

Did the VW factory move to Poland before or after it entered the EU?

 

Google away.

Edited April 8, 2013 by Park Life

[Park Life 71]

I love the idea that the country was fucked then as soon as she came in it became fixed - where the fuck were you in the 80s? - how were they in anyway better than the 70s? How is the North East in any way shape or form now better off than it was? Where is this successful country of which you speak?

 

She destroyed the unions then what? - destroyed the industries which hosted them and replaced them with service shite and housing bubbles and fucking city traders which turned out great.

 

They fixed the country with credit cards. It was discussed 20 years previous in a Swiss hotel. The things they do are really simple. If you're not paying enough then the bastards won't spend. Give the mongs credit. It's boring and transparent.

[The6Bells 0]

Compared to the "bad old days" of the 70s all three of those are now acceptable. I know about absolute poverty but I also know how rich the wealthy are in this country and the gap has widened enormously.

 

The gap has widened because more ambitious people have left you (or whoever it is you are whining about) behind. Their standard of living however is still the same as the 70s. Better even. The idea that the proles have been reduced to working for slave wages with no rights compared to the paradise that was the 70s is really quite ludicrous. Just listen to yourself, it really is just a load of self pitying tripe. You clearly don't know the meaning of the words if you want to apply them in this manner.

[NJS 4389]

The gap has widened because more ambitious people have left you (or whoever it is you are whining about) behind. Their standard of living however is still the same as the 70s. Better even. The idea that the proles have been reduced to working for slave wages with no rights compared to the paradise that was the 70s is really quite ludicrous. Just listen to yourself, it really is just a load of self pitying tripe. You clearly don't know the meaning of the words if you want to apply them in this manner.

 

I do okay thanks.

 

I love the idea that they only have the same level as the 70s - care to prove it?

[The6Bells 0]

I'll make it easy for you.

 

Did the VW factory move to Poland before or after it entered the EU?

 

Google away.

 

I don't know, but it hardly matters as far as I can see. If VW moved their factory before the EU came to Poland, then what are you trying to prove with regards the EU being socialist? Surely they would have stopped them removing one of the means of production out of the union if they were. And if it happened after, then again, what are you hopeing to prove? That the EU is the sort of socialist project that allows the means of production to be moved at the behest of its private owners? I don't recall 1970s Britain profiting from being able to have a Skoda factory located in South Shields during the Soviet Era. Although the skills and dedication of the unionised workforce of that time would have produce crap heaps that would have made the proles truly proud of course.

[Park Life 71]

I don't know, but it hardly matters as far as I can see. If VW moved their factory before the EU came to Poland, then what are you trying to prove with regards the EU being socialist? Surely they would have stopped them removing one of the means of production out of the union if they were. And if it happened after, then again, what are you hopeing to prove? That the EU is the sort of socialist project that allows the means of production to be moved at the behest of its private owners? I don't recall 1970s Britain profiting from being able to have a Skoda factory located in South Shields during the Soviet Era. Although the skills and dedication of the unionised workforce of that time would have produce crap heaps that would have made the proles truly proud of course.

 

Sheeeesh! I'm not sure if I can make it any simpler..

 

Ok, can the EU stop the free movement of capital?

 

Let's start at the beginning.

[ChezGiven 0]

 

 

That's a trick question of course. A global financial crisis is impossible when the only global trade is in little red books, AK47s, tractors and trabants.

 

The global financial crises had its roots in socialist ideologies (or at least aspirations) more than people like you would ever be likely to concede though, because to do so would shatter your view of what people are and are not entitled to just because they were born (and things which ironically cannot be provided to them by socialist economies, as history has proven time and time and time again).

 

Of course, the hilarious thing about this sort of view is, the worst thing that the global financial crisis has cause is long queues for bread and soup. So even at its worst, capitalism manages to reach a level that was, your naive day dreams aside, simply daily grinding reality for the proles in many socialist paradises. This is the reality. Live it. Learn from it. Deal with it.

What have Credit Default Swaps and the layered packaging of credit risk got to do with socialism?

 

Just for clarity, the example of the Mumbai railways was meant to serve as an example of social externalities, a branch of welfare economics that was poorly understood in the 70s and 80s. Dont be fooled by the word welfare either, it's a branch of micro-economics that has driven policy for nearly a century.

 

I was an academic economist for a few years but have spent the last 14 years working in the worlds biggest companies. I definitely don't know anyone worth their salt who considers unfettered liberal market ideology as a solution to anything. Thatcher's legacy in this regard was once, for a brief time, seen relatively positively. I think the world has now caught up with a very pragmatic wing of economics that has always argued against ideology and for the pragmatic.

 

Thatcher's world view was all about the dichotomies of politics; society versus the individual, the market versus the state, efficiency versus equity, substitution effects versus income effects. Where Ken Livingstone was right was that in everything she has been proven wrong. That's not to say her opponents have been proven right. What history has taught us is that ideologues like Thatcher are dangerous as policy driven from the conviction of principle is never measured enough to produce socially and economically optimal outcomes. Hence the Mumbai railways example.

[Gene_Clark 12]

on reflection, it's just a shame Thatcher wasn't torn to pieces in the street by a vengeful crowd of ordinary people, who had their lives destroyed by her.

 

i've never met a Tory in my life i've not fucking despised.

 

working class tories are the Judas sheep of this country

[The6Bells 0]

I do okay thanks.

 

I love the idea that they only have the same level as the 70s - care to prove it?

 

Ah, so you're one of those kinds of socialists. Doing alright yourself, so not in any position to be adversly affected by your theories should they not really work out all that well for the proles. I think they called you an aparatchik in the Soviet era.

 

I don't need to prove anything re standard of living, it's common knowledge. If you dispute it, then give an example yourself and we'll see if it stacks up.

[Park Life 71]

on reflection, it's just a shame Thatcher wasn't torn to pieces in the street by a vengeful crowd of ordinary people, who had their lives destroyed by her.

 

i've never met a Tory in my life i've not fucking despised.

 

working class tories are the Judas sheep of this country

 

Should start with state hangings. The boards of Hsbc, Royal Bank of Schottland and Barclays for starters. And that gay looking french kid who dreamt up derivitives as mortgage backed securities at Goldman Sachs (if I ever meet him I will slay the fucker I promise it).

[The6Bells 0]

Sheeeesh! I'm not sure if I can make it any simpler..

 

Ok, can the EU stop the free movement of capital?

 

Let's start at the beginning.

 

Again, what are you trying to prove? Free movement of capital is permitted even in Cuba, the last remaining bastion of true socialism on Earth, so what's your point?

[Park Life 71]

Again, what are you trying to prove? Free movement of capital is permitted even in Cuba, the last remaining bastion of true socialism on Earth, so what's your point?

 

It's that you clearly have shown you have no scatty idea about the EU.

 

So what in the name of beejeesus is this fiscal union stuff about?

[The6Bells 0]

on reflection, it's just a shame Thatcher wasn't torn to pieces in the street by a vengeful crowd of ordinary people, who had their lives destroyed by her.

 

i've never met a Tory in my life i've not fucking despised.

 

working class tories are the Judas sheep of this country

 

I've never met a Tory who even called himself working class. Even if he was. It's a label used by socialists if anything, something to make their role in society seem more meaningful in comparison to others. Kind of sad when you think about it.

[Gene_Clark 12]

Should start with state hangings. The boards of Hsbc, Royal Bank of Schottland and Barclays for starters. And that gay looking french kid who dreamt up derivitives as mortgage backed securities at Goldman Sachs (if I ever meet him I will slay the fucker I promise it).

 

i scent rebellion in the air; the IDS £53 protest, bedroom tax protests, this dead tyrant's funeral, even the fascist who manages the tramps - all these are adding fuel to the fire.

 

comrades, the time is close to rise up & smash the state; this time the tories don't have the filth as their state sponsored thugs.

 

executions of the ruling elite from every lamp post.......

[Gene_Clark 12]

I've never met a Tory who even called himself working class. Even if he was. It's a label used by socialists if anything, something to make their role in society seem more meaningful in comparison to others. Kind of sad when you think about it.

 

let's meet up & discuss this - now if you like....

[Park Life 71]

What have Credit Default Swaps and the layered packaging of credit risk got to do with socialism?

 

Just for clarity, the example of the Mumbai railways was meant to serve as an example of social externalities, a branch of welfare economics that was poorly understood in the 70s and 80s. Dont be fooled by the word welfare either, it's a branch of micro-economics that has driven policy for nearly a century.

 

I was an academic economist for a few years but have spent the last 14 years working in the worlds biggest companies. I definitely don't know anyone worth their salt who considers unfettered liberal market ideology as a solution to anything. Thatcher's legacy in this regard was once, for a brief time, seen relatively positively. I think the world has now caught up with a very pragmatic wing of economics that has always argued against ideology and for the pragmatic.

 

Thatcher's world view was all about the dichotomies of politics; society versus the individual, the market versus the state, efficiency versus equity, substitution effects versus income effects. Where Ken Livingstone was right was that in everything she has been proven wrong. That's not to say her opponents have been proven right. What history has taught us is that ideologues like Thatcher are dangerous as policy driven from the conviction of principle is never measured enough to produce socially and economically optimal outcomes. Hence the Mumbai railways example.

 

Top post.

 

Just to be clear they weren't Thatchers ideas but devil spawn cooked up by right wing thinktanks and people turning lead into gold in old castles in Bavaria.

[The6Bells 0]

It's that you clearly have shown you have no scatty idea about the EU.

 

So what in the name of beejeesus is this fiscal union stuff about?

 

I know enough about it to have a meaningful debate with others who also know what it is, but it seems my imagination doesn't stretch to debating it with someone who thinks its run by the lizard people and can't decide whether he's trying to show the EU is socialist or that VW are.

[Park Life 71]

i scent rebellion in the air; the IDS £53 protest, bedroom tax protests, this dead tyrant's funeral, even the fascist who manages the tramps - all these are adding fuel to the fire.

 

comrades, the time is close to rise up & smash the state; this time the tories don't have the filth as their state sponsored thugs.

 

executions of the ruling elite from every lamp post.......

 

Look forward to it.

[Park Life 71]

I know enough about it to have a meaningful debate with others who also know what it is, but it seems my imagination doesn't stretch to debating it with someone who thinks its run by the lizard people and can't decide whether he's trying to show the EU is socialist or that VW are.

 

Meaningful debate?

 

You are so clueless about the EU it's ridiculous. What EU stuff are you dealing with - matchtick production in Latvia?

 

Infact you're so limited it would be dangerous to explain something to you.

 

Woooot! Capitalism! Thatcha! Free markets! Yawn.

 

World capitalism is on the brink of collapse sweetie. After all it was only meant to be a short term thing eh?

Edited April 8, 2013 by Park Life