Thatcher Dead

[Dr Gloom 21965]

"She created today's housing crisis. She created the banking crisis. And she created the benefit crisis. It was her government that started putting people on incapacity benefit rather than register them as unemployed because the Britain she inherited was broadly full employment. She decided when she wrote off our manufacturing industry that she could live with two or three million unemployed, and the benefits bill, the legacy of that, we are struggling with today. In actual fact, every real problem we face today is the legacy of the fact that she was fundamentally wrong," Ken Livingstone

[Idioteque 0]

Absolutely delighted, town will be busy tonight.

[ChezGiven 0]

"She created today's housing crisis. She created the banking crisis. And she created the benefit crisis. It was her government that started putting people on incapacity benefit rather than register them as unemployed because the Britain she inherited was broadly full employment. She decided when she wrote off our manufacturing industry that she could live with two or three million unemployed, and the benefits bill, the legacy of that, we are struggling with today. In actual fact, every real problem we face today is the legacy of the fact that she was fundamentally wrong," Ken Livingstone

Whilst a great pounding from Ken.

 

Whenever i think of Thatcher's economics i think of the Mumbai railways. For years the tributaries of the extended Mumbai network were loss making lines that served poor suburbs (slums). These smaller lines were kept going because the Indian government felt that even the poorest without prospects had the right to transport links to the centre of Mumbai. For years, they remained run-down, unreliable and a burden on public resources. Then India began to experience strong economic growth, opportunities arose and because of the existence of the railway line, the people of these slums/suburbs were able to take advantage and find work in the city. Soon the lines became popular and busy and eventually the areas they served became attractive to people looking to live near the city. After a decade of economic change, the lines became profit making and in the final economic analysis, the benefits of the new revenues and the contribution of the infrastructure to the local economy far out stripped the costs of subsidising the lines for all those years. Thatcher would have closed them down.

[Monkeys Fist 42472]

She's being buried - The Lady's not for burning.

[Howmanheyman 33281]

Better comments on here than the various TV stations I've just been watching.

[Dr Gloom 21965]

She's being buried - The Lady's not for burning.

 

[Sonatine 11406]

Good read this...

 

http://thequietus.com/articles/11886-margaret-thatcher-obituary

[@yourservice 67]

[Monkeys Fist 42472]

Good read this...

 

http://thequietus.com/articles/11886-margaret-thatcher-obituary

Tis.

[Monkeys Fist 42472]

1702: Daily Telegraph editor Tony Gallagher via Twitter

 

tweets: We have closed comments on every #Thatcher story today - even our address to email tributes is filled with abuse

[Renton 21643]

"Where there is discord, may we bring harmony".

 

She bought more division to this country than could have been imagined. Divisions that have persisted and may now never heal.

[The6Bells 0]

If Thatcher is in 'hell', then she's undoubtedly already kicked Satan in the nuts and is now just sitting back laughing at all the haters. What have they got after all? 1 day of 'celebrating' her death, with her having lived to a grand old age of 87. What has she got? The warm fuzzy feeling in her final years (pre-dementia of course) of knowing that she changed Britain permanently and irrevocably (good or bad, doesn't matter, nobody remembers the people who did nothing, like most PMs before and after), and the satisfaction from knowing that the only people who hate her are the people she roundly and soundly defeated. Up the workers. Right up em.

[The6Bells 0]

Ian Duncan Smith citing her as the reason he got into politics. We can see that slaphead.

 

Saying she "bestrode the political world like a colossus" though. That's straight out of one of his wank fantasies.

 

Disasterous leadership period aside, his work on benefits since has garnered IDS a reputation on both the left and the right as a sensible, balanced reformer. Or have I misremembered that?

[Renton 21643]

I think you've misrembered, if that's even a word.

[NJS 4389]

If Thatcher is in 'hell', then she's undoubtedly already kicked Satan in the nuts and is now just sitting back laughing at all the haters. What have they got after all? 1 day of 'celebrating' her death, with her having lived to a grand old age of 87. What has she got? The warm fuzzy feeling in her final years (pre-dementia of course) of knowing that she changed Britain permanently and irrevocably (good or bad, doesn't matter, nobody remembers the people who did nothing, like most PMs before and after), and the satisfaction from knowing that the only people who hate her are the people she roundly and soundly defeated. Up the workers. Right up em.

 

Pol Pot changed his country too.

 

She didn't "defeat" me but she used the power of the state to destroy the lives of millions. She was a cunt.

[Rayvin 5227]

Indifferent to her death, she was a bitch but meh. Better not be a state funeral though... given how many lives she destroyed it wouldn't be appropriate at all.

[The Fish 10874]

Whilst a great pounding from Ken.

 

Whenever i think of Thatcher's economics i think of the Mumbai railways. For years the tributaries of the extended Mumbai network were loss making lines that served poor suburbs (slums). These smaller lines were kept going because the Indian government felt that even the poorest without prospects had the right to transport links to the centre of Mumbai. For years, they remained run-down, unreliable and a burden on public resources. Then India began to experience strong economic growth, opportunities arose and because of the existence of the railway line, the people of these slums/suburbs were able to take advantage and find work in the city. Soon the lines became popular and busy and eventually the areas they served became attractive to people looking to live near the city. After a decade of economic change, the lines became profit making and in the final economic analysis, the benefits of the new revenues and the contribution of the infrastructure to the local economy far out stripped the costs of subsidising the lines for all those years. Thatcher would have closed them down.

Good post that.

[Tom 14013]

I hope they don't try and hold a minutes silence at the match.

 

Could only lead to bother...

[The6Bells 0]

Whilst a great pounding from Ken.

 

Whenever i think of Thatcher's economics i think of the Mumbai railways. For years the tributaries of the extended Mumbai network were loss making lines that served poor suburbs (slums). These smaller lines were kept going because the Indian government felt that even the poorest without prospects had the right to transport links to the centre of Mumbai. For years, they remained run-down, unreliable and a burden on public resources. Then India began to experience strong economic growth, opportunities arose and because of the existence of the railway line, the people of these slums/suburbs were able to take advantage and find work in the city. Soon the lines became popular and busy and eventually the areas they served became attractive to people looking to live near the city. After a decade of economic change, the lines became profit making and in the final economic analysis, the benefits of the new revenues and the contribution of the infrastructure to the local economy far out stripped the costs of subsidising the lines for all those years. Thatcher would have closed them down.

 

Thatcher came to power in 1979, what lines needed to be shut on economic grounds had already been long before her era. The only major closures in the 1980s were single-track freight branches, which tend not to go anywhere near slums, and tend not to make any money once the subsidised industries they served have gone, no matter how long you wait. It is now 2013, and only now are we seeing a tiny tiny tiny fraction of the lines that Beeching shut all the way back in 1962 being considered for re-opening based on changes in their likely viability. For that reason, plus the other more glaringly obvious differences between the social policies, infrastructure and ecomonies of the two countries, your comparison is laughable. If you want to know who lacked real foresight regarding the railways in the recent era, you only need to look at the chronic underinvestment in Network Rail during the 'boom years' of Blair/Brown. Not many votes in that apparently, not compared to what you get from building schools and giving nurses more pay.

[The6Bells 0]

I think you've misrembered, if that's even a word.

 

I was thinking of that slaphead in the Lib Dems I think. Can't even think of his name, even now. Anyway, the point is, IDS is hardly seen as an awful politician, which is what was being inferred.

[Monroe Transfer 0]

Have you signed up to this forum just to defend her?

 

She's dead mate. This won't impress her now.

[Meenzer 15560]

Thatcher came to power in 1979, what lines needed to be shut on economic grounds had already been long before her era. The only major closures in the 1980s were single-track freight branches, which tend not to go anywhere near slums, and tend not to make any money once the subsidised industries they served have gone, no matter how long you wait. It is now 2013, and only now are we seeing a tiny tiny tiny fraction of the lines that Beeching shut all the way back in 1962 being considered for re-opening based on changes in their likely viability. For that reason, plus the other more glaringly obvious differences between the social policies, infrastructure and ecomonies of the two countries, your comparison is laughable. If you want to know who lacked real foresight regarding the railways in the recent era, you only need to look at the chronic underinvestment in Network Rail during the 'boom years' of Blair/Brown. Not many votes in that apparently, not compared to what you get from building schools and giving nurses more pay.

 

Woosh...

[Andrew 4772]

I hope they don't try and hold a minutes silence at the match.

 

Could only lead to bother...

 

I hope they do. Could do with a reminder to he media that most don't want a reverential remembrance of her.

[The6Bells 0]

Indifferent to her death, she was a bitch but meh. Better not be a state funeral though... given how many lives she destroyed it wouldn't be appropriate at all.

 

"She specifically did not want a state funeral and nor did her family"

 

"Costs are to be borne by the government and Lady Thatcher's estate"

 

"a ceremonial funeral requires the consent of the Queen, which has been given"

 

"There will be no public lying-in-state, at Thatcher's own request"

 

"Plans reportedly mooted in 2008, under Gordon Brown's premiership, for a state funeral"

 

"She particularly did not wish to lie in state as she thought that was not appropriate. And she didn't want a fly-past as she thought that was a waste of money"

 

What a fucking bitch eh.

[The6Bells 0]

Woosh...

 

The implicatino being I missed the point? How so? Do you know much about the political history of the railways Mr Meenzer?