Alex 34766 Posted February 17, 2016 Share Posted February 17, 2016 Aye £80m is fuck all, even though it's roughly what the world record transfer fee is. The utter fucking shite some people talk in defence of the manager is staggering Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
strawb 4172 Posted February 17, 2016 Share Posted February 17, 2016 80 million is fuck all when we have spent fuck all for 10 odd years. You need to spend 40 a year just to stand still man Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewerk 30217 Posted February 17, 2016 Share Posted February 17, 2016 We now have the seventh highest net spend in the league over the last five years. Though tbf that's largely due to the money spent this season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex 34766 Posted February 17, 2016 Share Posted February 17, 2016 80 million is fuck all when we have spent fuck all for 10 odd years. You need to spend 40 a year just to stand still man Nah, I'm not having that like. I appreciate the club has allowed the squad to decline prior to last summer but it's still loads of money over the last two windows. We spent more than the entire Bundesliga in January. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheGingerQuiff 2412 Posted February 17, 2016 Share Posted February 17, 2016 Not sure how Bundesliga spending is relevant. We didn't even spend that much more than Stoke Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Fish 10681 Posted February 17, 2016 Share Posted February 17, 2016 Not sure how Bundesliga spending is relevant. We didn't even spend that much more than Stoke January window we only spent a couple of million more than Norwich as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewerk 30217 Posted February 17, 2016 Share Posted February 17, 2016 Yeah but we spent five times as much as them in the summer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex 34766 Posted February 17, 2016 Share Posted February 17, 2016 Not sure how Bundesliga spending is relevant. We didn't even spend that much more than Stoke We spent more than the rest of the Premier League though Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trooper 940 Posted February 17, 2016 Share Posted February 17, 2016 It's not really about what we've spent these 2 windows it's about what we haven't spent in previous windows. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex 34766 Posted February 17, 2016 Share Posted February 17, 2016 It's not really about what we've spent these 2 windows it's about what we haven't spent in previous windows. It's both. You could argue we had a poor squad before those two windows but I think you could equally argue we didn't have one of the worst 3 squads in the league. Then in those two windows we've spent more than our genuine rivals but we're 3rd bottom. Some of that has to be on the manager Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Fish 10681 Posted February 17, 2016 Share Posted February 17, 2016 It's both. You could argue we had a poor squad before those two windows but I think you could equally argue we didn't have one of the worst 3 squads in the league. Then in those two windows we've spent more than our genuine rivals but we're 3rd bottom. Some of that has to be on the manager I think it's as much to do with the head coach as it is the guy who signs off on the transfers. When we needed a left winger and a centre half for the first team and depth to really kick on, we signed Vurnon Anita. It's been said before but the man holding the purse strings loosens them only for a good deal, regardless of what's needed on the pitch. I think panic set in, in January. Panic and the growing influence of McClaren/Carr. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheGingerQuiff 2412 Posted February 17, 2016 Share Posted February 17, 2016 Even January's signings were average players for average fees. If he'd spent those sums a couple of years ago he'd have signed better quality. Agree that McClaren should be doing much better with what we have though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Fish 10681 Posted February 17, 2016 Share Posted February 17, 2016 The £12m we wasted on Thauvin could have gone on a centreback and a left back, both of genuine quality. But it was a "good deal". He's a player with potential who's value has dropped who plays in a position that traditionally commands a higher fee. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Gloom 21792 Posted February 17, 2016 Share Posted February 17, 2016 That's the crux of the problem. For too long we've had this misguided policy of buying players based on their sell on value instead of the ones the squad needed. We're still doing it now, despite all the money we've spent recently. How the fuck we didn't spend any money in January on defenders or a proper striker is beyond me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheGingerQuiff 2412 Posted February 17, 2016 Share Posted February 17, 2016 We've spent appallingly little on strikers in the last 10 years Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheGingerQuiff 2412 Posted February 17, 2016 Share Posted February 17, 2016 That stinker the true geordie pointed out after the weekend's game that our centre halves we the two that we got relegated with Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex 34766 Posted February 17, 2016 Share Posted February 17, 2016 That's the crux of the problem. For too long we've had this misguided policy of buying players based on their sell on value instead of the ones the squad needed. We're still doing it now, despite all the money we've spent recently. How the fuck we didn't spend any money in January on defenders or a proper striker is beyond me. I think if you do it right, i.e. with the aim of improving the squad over the long term then it isn't a flawed policy as such. Look at Spurs for a great example of that. If you're doing it to make money / just keep the club ticking over then it's problematic. Adds to the general malaise borne out of total lack of ambition as well as being unsustainable in terms of maintain the quality of the squad. I'm under no illusions as to the core problem but it doesn't exonerate the under-performing manager Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Fish 10681 Posted February 17, 2016 Share Posted February 17, 2016 McClaren gets a lot of plaudits for his coaching ability from ex-pros, is it a lack of impressive leadership? He doesn't strike me as much of a motivator. I'm sure he can swing an arm around a lad with a fragile ego and give him avuncular words of comfort, but I don't really see him inspiring a team into a stoic performance against the odds. SBR had a soft old Grandpa reputation, but I'm sure I've read accounts of him hauling players (and staff) over the coals when they fell below his standards. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christmas Tree 4679 Posted February 17, 2016 Author Share Posted February 17, 2016 It's gonna be a long fortnight Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Fish 10681 Posted February 17, 2016 Share Posted February 17, 2016 It's gonna be a long fortnight What's your beef chief? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StoneColdStephenIreland 74 Posted February 17, 2016 Share Posted February 17, 2016 80 million is a massive amount for the position we were in at the end of last season and in comparison to what the teams around us spent. No team around us spent that amount and we're lagging behind those teams which shouldn't be the case. Look at West Ham, they spent a canny bit and got a new manager in and they've flew up the league, we haven't and it's mostly due to the manager imo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
strawb 4172 Posted February 17, 2016 Share Posted February 17, 2016 How hard is it to understand if a club spends 20-30 million four seasons in a row while we spend nowt then spunk 80 in one go we aren't going ahead of them, we are catching up to them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StoneColdStephenIreland 74 Posted February 17, 2016 Share Posted February 17, 2016 Even the likes of Norwich, Bournemouth, Watford etc? I'd understand if it was mid table to the European places but not the relegation places and teams coming up from the championship. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
strawb 4172 Posted February 17, 2016 Share Posted February 17, 2016 The rest of the league has moved ahead of us because they have spent consistently whereas we made a profit for years (off the top of my head) and did nowt with it, just to spunk it all in one go. By spending consistently you have a chance to bed players in for a year then improve again the next year, we buy 6/7 players in one year and wonder why we are still shit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheGingerQuiff 2412 Posted February 17, 2016 Share Posted February 17, 2016 The Anita summer is where it all went wrong. Had a solid spine that we haven't had since Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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