Mike Ashley -- Irrelevant Cunt

[Christmas Tree 4821]

It's not just the fans that he has disregard for is it? It's the whole city and it's footballing heritage. The way he treated Keegan Hughton Shearer etc the brilliant DOF's Wise & Kinnear the renaming the ground the lack of investment the lack of ambition and it's not just about a rich oil sheik seeing a few football fans protesting. It's about people getting off there arses and saying enoughs enough this is our city & our club we expect you to respect the club and the people while your here.

The point is after ALL of that, people don't want to get off their arses and protest.

 

But even if they did, what would protests achieve without a buyer waiting in the wings?

 

Have a look at Iraq for unthought through regime change.

[Meenzer 15716]

Have a look at Iraq for unthought through regime change.

 

Holy shit

[trooper 940]

You missed my point the protests wouldn't be in regard of a new buyer but about Ashley looking after the place properly while he's here and respecting the fans who pay him good money to see their team at their ground. Not running it like a cheap market stall down the Quayside.

[Tooj 17]

The point is after ALL of that, people don't want to get off their arses and protest.

 

But even if they did, what would protests achieve without a buyer waiting in the wings?

 

Have a look at Iraq for unthought through regime change.

 

:CT: :CT:

[Meenzer 15716]

 

:CT: :CT:

 

 

 

[ewerk 31195]

:lol:

[Park Life 71]

[Tom 14013]

 

:CT: :CT:

 

[Christmas Tree 4821]

You missed my point the protests wouldn't be in regard of a new buyer but about Ashley looking after the place properly while he's here and respecting the fans who pay him good money to see their team at their ground. Not running it like a cheap market stall down the Quayside.

 

I understand that but after all thats happened, if a few hundred people is all that can be arsed to take to the streets to protest then I think you have to agree that getting more protests off the ground is a non starter.

 

He'll basically do whatever he wants until he decides not to.

[trophyshy 7084]

He'll basically do whatever he wants until he decides not to.

[Tom 14013]

From the mind that brought you ''A better manager would do better''

[Park Life 71]

[trooper 940]

At the end of the day without being too blunt about it. Since Ashley's been in charge some of you have spent hundreds if not thousands ( if your signed up to the ST deal ) of pounds at the club and now know by their own admission you will never have your FA Cup or League Cup day out at Wembley a European trophy final night or see the Premiership trophy presented at St James Park. All there is to really look forward to is a mid table finish in the premiership to enable the big tv money. I feel awful typing this but it is the bottom line under Ashley.

[Happy Face 29]

At the end of the day without being too blunt about it. Since Ashley's been in charge some of you have spent hundreds if not thousands ( if your signed up to the ST deal ) of pounds at the club and now know by their own admission you will never have your FA Cup or League Cup day out at Wembley a European trophy final night or see the Premiership trophy presented at St James Park. All there is to really look forward to is a mid table finish in the premiership to enable the big tv money. I feel awful typing this but it is the bottom line under Ashley.

 

Largely the same as the 40 odd years prior then

[ChezGiven 0]

I'm still furious we didnt match the ambition of Cardiff and Norwich this summer and am livid about not even bidding for Bony.

[Kevin Carr's Gloves 3964]

I'm still furious we didnt match the ambition of Cardiff and Norwich this summer and am livid about not even bidding for Bony.

 

 

We'll be looking to sign some of them on the cheap when people go down.

 

That's why we let Sunderland beat us cos they don't have anyone we want to sign. Only they are so shite even an against the odds derby win didn't manage to lift the useless bastards.

Edited November 6, 2013 by Kevin Carr's Gloves

[Happy Face 29]

I'm still furious we didnt match the ambition of Cardiff and Norwich this summer and am livid about not even bidding for Bony.

 

Aye, that's what should piss people off.

 

People like Steve Mcmanaman think we're demanding cups and league challenges.

 

Fact is we just want to avoid being the butt of a big joke.

[Tooj 17]

Aye McManaman talks a load of shit thinking that the reason we don't like Ashley is because he hasn't spent £100 million. Fuck off man.

[The Fish 10963]

@CT People aren't saying that they want a Billionaire Sugar Daddy Geordie, they're saying they'd be as happy with someone who cut their coat according to their cloth. So, say we were owned by someone like Gibson of Middlesbrough. He spent millions keeping a club he loved in the big league, he funded as much as he could and was ambitious and well liked by the fans.

 

Mike Ashley is worth £3.5bn that's 3,500,000,000, if he spent 1% of that a year we could be challenging for Europe. Instead, he makes a profit on transfers and doesn't even reinvest that cash in new players.

[Christmas Tree 4821]

@CT People aren't saying that they want a Billionaire Sugar Daddy Geordie, they're saying they'd be as happy with someone who cut their coat according to their cloth. So, say we were owned by someone like Gibson of Middlesbrough. He spent millions keeping a club he loved in the big league, he funded as much as he could and was ambitious and well liked by the fans.

 

Mike Ashley is worth £3.5bn that's 3,500,000,000, if he spent 1% of that a year we could be challenging for Europe. Instead, he makes a profit on transfers and doesn't even reinvest that cash in new players.

I understand all that. The point is nobody wants to buy us and the vast majority of fans are uninterested in protesting.

[The Fish 10963]

I understand all that. The point is nobody wants to buy us and the vast majority of fans are uninterested in protesting.

I'd say that nobody is willing to meet Ashley's valuation of us.

[trooper 940]

Any ideas as to how much he'd be asking if he was to put the club back up for sale. I'm sure when he was asked at Harper's testimonial Shearer said 150 million would probably get rid of him does that seem about right?

[Tooj 17]

http://www.themag.co.uk/tyne-talk/ggg/

 

Newcastle United Financial Accounts – Where Has The Money Gone Under Mike Ashley?

Football is a game of opinions, it is what keeps us all going in between those ninety minutes’ that are played on the green stuff.

Sadly, much of the chat between fans these days isn’t just about what happens on the field of play, instead much of our time (including on this website) is spent discussing how the club is run off the pitch under Mike Ashley.

The finances coming into the sharpest focus when for example Newcastle United don’t buy a single player in the summer window just gone by.

Alan Pardew has regularly told us that Newcastle can’t compete when it comes to the financial side of things, justifying the lack of transfer activity and Newcastle United’s place in the scheme of things.

To back this message up, we have been treated to some quite bizarre columns appearing under Joe Kinnear’s name in recent matchday programmes, for example lecturing fans about the ins and outs of FFP (Financial Fair Play) and United’s commercial income compared to other clubs. All very bizarre, not just the ridiculous nature of what they are saying, in my opinion, but that they also expect us to actually believe that Joe Kinnear has written it.

Repeatedly it is hammered home, Newcastle fans who think their club should be able to compete these days with the ‘big boys’, or indeed the not so big boys, are clearly deluded.

So is that the end of it? Should we just accept that Newcastle will always now be also-rans, with no chance of ever competing with what people generally see now as the ‘top six’, or even those below that?

Alan Pardew has often said that off the pitch there is no way Newcastle can compete with Manchester United financially but to many of us that isn’t the point. What I, and many others, believe is that a well run Newcastle United can year after year build its way into a club that can compete with those in that top six. Newcastle will never have a turnover that matches Manchester United but what NUFC are capable of, is making massive strides in closing the gap on those other clubs in that top six and eventually getting in amongst them.

How can this be done? Well the answers to many puzzles are often to be found by looking backwards to help take us forwards.

Newcastle United’s financial position is currently;

1. Mike Ashley has made clear Newcastle United has to live within its means, he isn’t going to put his own money in to subsidise the running of his club (asset).
2. The second part of the equation is that the income Newcastle bring in from commercial activities and match day revenue streams, is far lower than that of those top six and much of a muchness now with clubs such as Everton, Villa and others.

So that’s it then, isn’t it? If you believe so then it is a depressing reality because then the only possible advantage Newcastle could have over any of our ‘competitors’ is Graham Carr unearthing player after player who will massively increase in value, with Newcastle selling high and reinvesting in other hidden gems.

Obviously it is a huge benefit to have somebody of Graham Carr’s experience and expertise but it isn’t a whole plan or strategy in itself. For starters every club is looking to get quality players at the best price, plus for every success you will have players who don’t increase in value.

So the bottom line is that for Newcastle United to realistically compete year after year and have a chance of winning trophies you need money, the conundrum is where can it come from?

The financial information below, comes from the annual Deloitte reports, or the ‘Rich List’ as it is often referred to. Deloitte put out a report examining the twenty football clubs with the highest turnovers in the world, they look at each club and see where they get their money from.

The income is divided into Matchday, which includes all money generated such as corporates and boxes, not just the ‘ordinary’ fan buying tickets.

Then you have Broadcasting which is almost exclusively from the various TV deals both in the UK and increasingly, income generated from overseas rights.

Finally, Commercial income, which is pretty much everything not included in the other two categories; shirt sponsor, merchandise, kit deal, perimeter advertising inside St.James’ Park and increasingly (for most clubs) all kinds of tie-ins with companies both in the UK and again increasingly around the world, with the reach of the English Premier League allowing its clubs to bring in massive amounts of extra cash due to the exposure. This was given a massive shot in the arm with the latest North American deal seeing matches shown live on terrestial TV over the pond, making the audience infinitely greater.

So what about Newcastle United?

Well look at these figures we have taken from various Deloitte reports, as a decent illustration we have compared Newcastle United’s figures with Tottenham’s, for the three seasons before Mike Ashley took over and then the latest available Deloitte report for the 2011/12 season when Newcastle finished fifth in the Premier League.

Have a good look.

The world placing refers to highest turnovers in the world, so basically in 2004/05, Newcastle’s was the 12th biggest and Spurs’ was 13th.

Then we have the overall turnover figure, before the breakdown of that figure into the three different categories that make up the total..

World Placing Turnover Matchday Revenue Broadcasting Revenue Commercial Revenue £Millions £Millions £Millions £Millions 2004/05 Spurs 13th 70.6 21.1 25.5 24.00 NUFC 12th 87.1 35.3 27.9 23.9 2005/06 Spurs 15th 74.1 17.6 28.7 27.8 NUFC 13th 85.9 31.5 26.5 27.9 2006/07 Spurs 11th 103.1 30.9 33.7 38.5 NUFC 14th 87.1 33.6 25.9 27.6 2011/12 Spurs 13th 144.2 41.1 61.6 41.5 NUFC 20th 93.3 23.9 55.6 13.8

Naturally, there are all kinds of talking points but there are a number I’d particularly like to draw your attention to.

1. Spurs have more than doubled their income in seven years, Newcastle’s has pretty much stayed the same, rising by around 7%.
2. In those three seasons before Mike Ashley arrived, Newcastle were more than competing with Spurs and in fact Matchday income saw United well in front, while it was only in that 2006/07 season where Spurs came alive on the Commercial front and leapt ahead of Newcastle.
3. Newcastle’s income was very steady and it isn’t using a one-off season to back up any argument. These were solid income streams and these aren’t from Champions League seasons either, sadly they (Champions League seasons)were history by this point.
4. The TV money has gone up by tens of millions.

Leaving comparisons with Spurs aside, because really we are only bothered about Newcastle, the NUFC figures are astonishing.

We are repeatedly told that Newcastle are now a financially well run club under Mike Ashley. Not spending more than you get in is only part of the equation, the amount of money you get in is ‘quite’ important as well!

The figures are mind blowing, Mike Ashley has managed to halve Newcastle United’s Commercial income from £27.9m in 2005/06 to £13.8m in 2011/12, this is without even taking into account higher prices/inflation and so on which should have automatically INCREASED the total, never mind it going backwards. Standing still would have been seen as disastrous, never mind what the actual reality we are faced with..

When it comes to Matchday money, income has come down from £35.3m (2004/05) to £23.9m (2011/12).

What has happened to the money? With Mike Ashley owning Newcastle United in its entirety, he presents his accounts as he sees fit, with only the basics available for us to see via the published club accounts and then set out by such things as the Deloitte reports.

What the figures tell me is that Newcastle United has been turned into a massive financial failure, it is an absolute disgrace. Money that should be there, and we are talking tens of millions every season, is just no longer there in the totals. Where it has gone is obviously a very interesting question.

The combined income from Matchday and Commercial was £57.2m in 2004/05 and Ashley has turned that into £37.7m in 2011/12.

Comparing Newcastle to Spurs is a very small part of the story, if you looked at every single club in the Premier League and probably all of those below the top division, I bet you wouldn’t find one that has less (non-TV) income in 2011/12 than they had seven years previous.

Mike Ashley is turning us (has turned us?) into almost another Blackburn or Bolton. Clubs where the TV income is everything.

What Ashley has done to Newcastle is strip away belief and self-respect amongst many fans that our club is something special.

Read the following extracts from the Deloitte reports in the three seasons before Ashley arrived at St.James’ Park.

2004/05

“Newcastle is the highest placed club not to benefit from Champions League revenue. This is a remarkable testament to the strength of the brand, and the club’s fanatical support. Average Premiership attendances stood at 51,800.”

2005/06

“Newcastle’s Money League placing is largely due to the club’s strong home support, and average Premier League attendances have been above 50,000 for all six seasons since St James’ Park expanded.”

2006/07

“Newcastle have featured in all eleven Money Leagues, and the club is once again in the list despite not benefiting from UEFA Champions League football, a tribute to the strength of the club’s brand and its loyal following.

“The club will hope the change in ownership and management will provide the catalyst for improvement both on and off the pitch.”

Read those quotes and weep.

Mike Ashley took over a club that was a brilliant ‘brand’ and was successful (in making money) BECAUSE of the massive support, Newcastle United just needed a little care & attention and management expertise to turn that into success on the pitch. Freddie Fletcher’s commercial expertise had helped make Newcastle a money making machine and it had only been brought to its knees thanks to all the money the Halls and Shepherds took out of the club and the disastrous decisions made in appointing people like Dalglish and Souness, combined with a disastrous transfer policy much of the time.

Freddie Fletcher turned Newcastle United’s fanatical support into pounds, via the Matchday and Commercial income.

There has never been a better time to sell the appeal of Premier League clubs both in the UK and around the World.

Whatever his motivation, Mike Ashley has screwed Newcastle United into the ground and into a club that cannot compete, thanks solely to the way he has the club organised. The rest of Ashley’s empire is booming but Newcastle United is now starved of money as well as trophies.

For Newcastle United to compete and potentially win trophies, the club doesn’t need Mike Ashley to ‘put’ money in, all that it needs is to be run professionally and with ambition.

We know our club is something special and one day it may have the chance to prove that once again to the outside world, sadly it won’t happen without massive changes and clearly the biggest of those is Mike Ashley.

 

[Howmanheyman 33828]

"err, wha' La?"

[TheMoog 0]

 

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Yeah, saw that, it makes for a very interesting read - also very saddening.