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(male)homosexual and hetero ages of consent cannot be treated equally, because a girl develops quicker than a boy.

 

A 14-15 year-old girl might pass for an 18-20 (especially with the right clothes and make-up), but a 14 year-old lad would look his age most of the time, surely?

 

When I was 18, I still looked about 14. Missed an opportunity to make a few quid, I reckon.  :)

 

Oh, and Meenzer, did you not get an 'awkward' stage during puberty? Did you go out looking for cock the moment your balls dropped?

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Do you not think the main issue with the age of consent might be emotional/mental maturity, at all...

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(male)homosexual and hetero ages of consent cannot be treated equally, because a girl develops quicker than a boy.

 

A 14-15 year-old girl might pass for an 18-20 (especially with the right clothes and make-up), but a 14 year-old lad would look his age most of the time, surely?

 

When I was 18, I still looked about 14. Missed an opportunity to make a few quid, I reckon.  :)

 

Oh, and Meenzer, did you not get an 'awkward' stage during puberty? Did you go out looking for cock the moment your balls dropped?

77687[/snapback]

 

Thats the worst logic I've ever heard. Truly lamentable reasoning. Pick up your cards and your N-O premium lifetime membership on the way out. :)

77694[/snapback]

 

Explain how it is wrong, rather than just saying "Wrong, ner ner."

77695[/snapback]

 

 

It's clearly based on a male hetero viewpoint for a start.

 

Not that I'm bent or owt! :)

 

And the point about justifying a distinction in consent age between gay/straight situations (if indeed there is justification for such a distinction) must surely be premised on the potential for greater abuse/damage to the underage person than the fact that one sex might 'look older physically' :)

 

Just cos a lass of 14 might look16/18/20 how does that mean shes ready for sex with a fat sweaty 40 year old bloke who might be coercing her or using all sorts of undue pressure or influence etc?

 

Defective logic-and if not entirely defective, certainly not sound

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(male)homosexual and hetero ages of consent cannot be treated equally, because a girl develops quicker than a boy.

 

A 14-15 year-old girl might pass for an 18-20 (especially with the right clothes and make-up), but a 14 year-old lad would look his age most of the time, surely?

 

When I was 18, I still looked about 14. Missed an opportunity to make a few quid, I reckon.  :)

 

Oh, and Meenzer, did you not get an 'awkward' stage during puberty? Did you go out looking for cock the moment your balls dropped?

77687[/snapback]

 

Do you not think the main issue with the age of consent might be emotional/mental maturity, at all...

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Cheers mate. I spose I could have just kept it at that. Very pithy.

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Once had to punch a colleague who had a desire to kiss me :)

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You realise that'll just have every gay man in christendom lusting after you?

 

To clarify, it was actually a bloke?

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(male)homosexual and hetero ages of consent cannot be treated equally, because a girl develops quicker than a boy.

 

A 14-15 year-old girl might pass for an 18-20 (especially with the right clothes and make-up), but a 14 year-old lad would look his age most of the time, surely?

 

When I was 18, I still looked about 14. Missed an opportunity to make a few quid, I reckon.  :)

 

Oh, and Meenzer, did you not get an 'awkward' stage during puberty? Did you go out looking for cock the moment your balls dropped?

77687[/snapback]

 

Thats the worst logic I've ever heard. Truly lamentable reasoning. Pick up your cards and your N-O premium lifetime membership on the way out. :)

77694[/snapback]

 

Explain how it is wrong, rather than just saying "Wrong, ner ner."

77695[/snapback]

 

 

It's clearly based on a male hetero viewpoint for a start.

 

Not that I'm bent or owt! :)

 

And the point about justifying a distinction in consent age between gay/straight situations (if indeed there is justification for such a distinction) must surely be premised on the potential for greater abuse/damage to the underage person than the fact that one sex might 'look older physically' :)

 

Just cos a lass of 14 might look16/18/20 how does that mean shes ready for sex with a fat sweaty 40 year old bloke who might be coercing her or using all sorts of undue pressure or influence etc?

 

Defective logic-and if not entirely defective, certainly not sound

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Don't turn it around to make it look like i'm condoning sex with underage girls. The point I was making is that it is even worse to act in a predatory way towards under-age males, because they are arguably less developed mentally and physically at that age. While a predatory male could argue that he is attracted to a 14/15 year-old in the same way he would be attracted to an 18/19 year old, how many 14 year old boys even look remotely like men? They were putting hormones in the food of everyone else's schools obviously.

 

Owld man/young lad or Owld man/young girl. Not right either way.

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Disappointed, I opened another bottle of wine waiting for that! :)

 

EDIT: Just to clarify Sicklee, are you saying that shagging a 16 year old bloke is worse than shagging a 16 year old girl for a bloke of ...say 30m even though both are legal in the UK?

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(male)homosexual and hetero ages of consent cannot be treated equally, because a girl develops quicker than a boy.

 

A 14-15 year-old girl might pass for an 18-20 (especially with the right clothes and make-up), but a 14 year-old lad would look his age most of the time, surely?

 

When I was 18, I still looked about 14. Missed an opportunity to make a few quid, I reckon.  :)

 

Oh, and Meenzer, did you not get an 'awkward' stage during puberty? Did you go out looking for cock the moment your balls dropped?

77687[/snapback]

 

Thats the worst logic I've ever heard. Truly lamentable reasoning. Pick up your cards and your N-O premium lifetime membership on the way out. :)

77694[/snapback]

 

Explain how it is wrong, rather than just saying "Wrong, ner ner."

77695[/snapback]

 

 

It's clearly based on a male hetero viewpoint for a start.

 

Not that I'm bent or owt! :)

 

And the point about justifying a distinction in consent age between gay/straight situations (if indeed there is justification for such a distinction) must surely be premised on the potential for greater abuse/damage to the underage person than the fact that one sex might 'look older physically' :)

 

Just cos a lass of 14 might look16/18/20 how does that mean shes ready for sex with a fat sweaty 40 year old bloke who might be coercing her or using all sorts of undue pressure or influence etc?

 

Defective logic-and if not entirely defective, certainly not sound

77706[/snapback]

 

Don't turn it around to make it look like i'm condoning sex with underage girls. The point I was making is that it is even worse to act in a predatory way towards under-age males, because they are arguably less developed mentally and physically at that age. While a predatory male could argue that he is attracted to a 14/15 year-old in the same way he would be attracted to an 18/19 year old, how many 14 year old boys even look remotely like men? They were putting hormones in the food of everyone else's schools obviously.

 

Owld man/young lad or Owld man/young girl. Not right either way.

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I'm not saying you're condoning anything-I'm criticising your logic.

 

You never mentioned maturity in the mental sense until now, which is exactly what I think Dotbum and myself picked up on so starkly. I get where you're coming from-what you're saying basically takes account of the Graham Rix ambiguity/concern of some hetero males, which of course can be a very legitimate concern. However, that of itself does not justify treating people differently based on their sex/sexuality-these are questions of basic human rights.

 

There may be a legitimate reason to treat people differently but the one you put forward was not it tbh.

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Disappointed, I opened another bottle of wine waiting for that! :)

 

EDIT:  Just to clarify Sicklee, are you saying that shagging a 16 year old bloke is worse than shagging a 16 year old girl for a bloke of ...say 30m even though both are legal in the UK?

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Can you stop putting it better, with pithy examples to illustrate your point you rampant bottom fetishist.

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Disappointed, I opened another bottle of wine waiting for that! :)

 

EDIT:  Just to clarify Sicklee, are you saying that shagging a 16 year old bloke is worse than shagging a 16 year old girl for a bloke of ...say 30m even though both are legal in the UK?

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Neither would be illegal, but I'd think both men were taking advantage of a naive young girl/boy.

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Can you stop putting it better, with pithy examples to illustrate your point you rampant bottom fetishist.

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:) This site is just a big gay love-in tbh.

 

I'm not sure how pithy my last statement was, I've just realised I suggested a man of 30 million in that last example, it involves a French keyboard, honest.

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Neither would be illegal, but I'd think both men were taking advantage of a naive young girl/boy.

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Who says it's a different bloke? :)

 

But you're saying it's equally right/wrong? I would agree.

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(male)homosexual and hetero ages of consent cannot be treated equally, because a girl develops quicker than a boy.

 

A 14-15 year-old girl might pass for an 18-20 (especially with the right clothes and make-up), but a 14 year-old lad would look his age most of the time, surely?

 

When I was 18, I still looked about 14. Missed an opportunity to make a few quid, I reckon.  :razz:

 

Oh, and Meenzer, did you not get an 'awkward' stage during puberty? Did you go out looking for cock the moment your balls dropped?

77687[/snapback]

 

Thats the worst logic I've ever heard. Truly lamentable reasoning. Pick up your cards and your N-O premium lifetime membership on the way out. :)

77694[/snapback]

 

Explain how it is wrong, rather than just saying "Wrong, ner ner."

77695[/snapback]

 

 

It's clearly based on a male hetero viewpoint for a start.

 

Not that I'm bent or owt! :)

 

And the point about justifying a distinction in consent age between gay/straight situations (if indeed there is justification for such a distinction) must surely be premised on the potential for greater abuse/damage to the underage person than the fact that one sex might 'look older physically' :)

 

Just cos a lass of 14 might look16/18/20 how does that mean shes ready for sex with a fat sweaty 40 year old bloke who might be coercing her or using all sorts of undue pressure or influence etc?

 

Defective logic-and if not entirely defective, certainly not sound

77706[/snapback]

 

Don't turn it around to make it look like i'm condoning sex with underage girls. The point I was making is that it is even worse to act in a predatory way towards under-age males, because they are arguably less developed mentally and physically at that age. While a predatory male could argue that he is attracted to a 14/15 year-old in the same way he would be attracted to an 18/19 year old, how many 14 year old boys even look remotely like men? They were putting hormones in the food of everyone else's schools obviously.

 

Owld man/young lad or Owld man/young girl. Not right either way.

77739[/snapback]

 

I'm not saying you're condoning anything-I'm criticising your logic.

 

You never mentioned maturity in the mental sense until now, which is exactly what I think Dotbum and myself picked up on so starkly. I get where you're coming from-what you're saying basically takes account of the Graham Rix ambiguity/concern of some hetero males, which of course can be a very legitimate concern. However, that of itself does not justify treating people differently based on their sex/sexuality-these are questions of basic human rights.

 

There may be a legitimate reason to treat people differently but the one you put forward was not it tbh.

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I only ever said that. All I said was that the two situations were different because of various biological issues. I didn't say anything should be changed or that people's rights should be taken away. Therefore you've u-turned and agreed with me.

 

I can't wait to take my maternity leave. :)

 

Whether I'm right or wrong, I'm not the idiot you tried to make me out to be in your first post.

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Oh, and Meenzer, did you not get an 'awkward' stage during puberty? Did you go out looking for cock the moment your balls dropped?

77687[/snapback]

Absolutely, and I won't claim for a moment to have been the same, either emotionally or physically, at age 14/15 as I am now (no beer gut, for a start) - but, by the same token, I was already through with a good amount of what puberty had to throw at me, and more importantly I was already pretty sure that I wasn't going to fit the Hetero Male model of life. From what I know of other people, that makes me more the exception than the rule, and obviously the law has to try to find an "average" age that fits the reality of the situation as snugly as possible, but it doesn't change the fact that I knew what I wanted pretty early on. I suppose in this day and age I might've just stayed at home, surfed for porn and knocked one off instead, but that option wasn't open to me then - and when you're not the kind of teenager whose underwear elastic catapults across the room every time Baywatch comes on, your experimentation inevitably tends to take a different form. :) A potentially dangerous one, maybe, but then so (one might argue) are anyone's first steps into relationships and sex, whatever their age...

 

EDIT: And yeah, I know (of) people who were, to some extent, taken advantage of by people who probably shouldn't have been anywhere near someone of their age, so I'm not denying for a moment that it happens - I just feel like, if anything, in my case it was me doing the exploiting. *shrug*

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Oh, and Meenzer, did you not get an 'awkward' stage during puberty? Did you go out looking for cock the moment your balls dropped?

77687[/snapback]

Absolutely, and I won't claim for a moment to have been the same, either emotionally or physically, at age 14/15 as I am now (no beer gut, for a start) - but, by the same token, I was already through with a good amount of what puberty had to throw at me, and more importantly I was already pretty sure that I wasn't going to fit the Hetero Male model of life. From what I know of other people, that makes me more the exception than the rule, and obviously the law has to try to find an "average" age that fits the reality of the situation as snugly as possible, but it doesn't change the fact that I knew what I wanted pretty early on. I suppose in this day and age I might've just stayed at home, surfed for porn and knocked one off instead, but that option wasn't open to me then - and when you're not the kind of teenager whose underwear elastic catapults across the room every time Baywatch comes on, your experimentation inevitably tends to take a different form. :)A potentially dangerous one, maybe, but then so (one might argue) are anyone's first steps into relationships and sex, whatever their age...

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At least nee bloke could get you up the duff like! :)

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Fuck me Meenzer I didn't realise you took it in the tea towel holder, it takes all sorts i suppose

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What, to post on a Newcastle message board? :)

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(male)homosexual and hetero ages of consent cannot be treated equally, because a girl develops quicker than a boy.

 

A 14-15 year-old girl might pass for an 18-20 (especially with the right clothes and make-up), but a 14 year-old lad would look his age most of the time, surely?

 

When I was 18, I still looked about 14. Missed an opportunity to make a few quid, I reckon.  :razz:

 

Oh, and Meenzer, did you not get an 'awkward' stage during puberty? Did you go out looking for cock the moment your balls dropped?

77687[/snapback]

 

Thats the worst logic I've ever heard. Truly lamentable reasoning. Pick up your cards and your N-O premium lifetime membership on the way out. :)

77694[/snapback]

 

Explain how it is wrong, rather than just saying "Wrong, ner ner."

77695[/snapback]

 

 

It's clearly based on a male hetero viewpoint for a start.

 

Not that I'm bent or owt! :)

 

And the point about justifying a distinction in consent age between gay/straight situations (if indeed there is justification for such a distinction) must surely be premised on the potential for greater abuse/damage to the underage person than the fact that one sex might 'look older physically' :)

 

Just cos a lass of 14 might look16/18/20 how does that mean shes ready for sex with a fat sweaty 40 year old bloke who might be coercing her or using all sorts of undue pressure or influence etc?

 

Defective logic-and if not entirely defective, certainly not sound

77706[/snapback]

 

Don't turn it around to make it look like i'm condoning sex with underage girls. The point I was making is that it is even worse to act in a predatory way towards under-age males, because they are arguably less developed mentally and physically at that age. While a predatory male could argue that he is attracted to a 14/15 year-old in the same way he would be attracted to an 18/19 year old, how many 14 year old boys even look remotely like men? They were putting hormones in the food of everyone else's schools obviously.

 

Owld man/young lad or Owld man/young girl. Not right either way.

77739[/snapback]

 

I'm not saying you're condoning anything-I'm criticising your logic.

 

You never mentioned maturity in the mental sense until now, which is exactly what I think Dotbum and myself picked up on so starkly. I get where you're coming from-what you're saying basically takes account of the Graham Rix ambiguity/concern of some hetero males, which of course can be a very legitimate concern. However, that of itself does not justify treating people differently based on their sex/sexuality-these are questions of basic human rights.

 

There may be a legitimate reason to treat people differently but the one you put forward was not it tbh.

77751[/snapback]

 

I only ever said that. All I said was that the two situations were different because of various biological issues. I didn't say anything should be changed or that people's rights should be taken away. Therefore you've u-turned and agreed with me.

 

I can't wait to take my maternity leave. :)

 

Whether I'm right or wrong, I'm not the idiot you tried to make me out to be in your first post.

77769[/snapback]

 

You said that male hetero and homo ages of consent could not be the same and then premised this entirely upon the 'Graham Rix'/14 year old girls in nightclubs argument. That's (quite simply) defective logic. Thats all I'm pointing out.

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(male)homosexual and hetero ages of consent cannot be treated equally, because a girl develops quicker than a boy.

 

A 14-15 year-old girl might pass for an 18-20 (especially with the right clothes and make-up), but a 14 year-old lad would look his age most of the time, surely?

 

When I was 18, I still looked about 14. Missed an opportunity to make a few quid, I reckon.  :razz:

 

Oh, and Meenzer, did you not get an 'awkward' stage during puberty? Did you go out looking for cock the moment your balls dropped?

77687[/snapback]

 

Thats the worst logic I've ever heard. Truly lamentable reasoning. Pick up your cards and your N-O premium lifetime membership on the way out. :)

77694[/snapback]

 

Explain how it is wrong, rather than just saying "Wrong, ner ner."

77695[/snapback]

 

 

It's clearly based on a male hetero viewpoint for a start.

 

Not that I'm bent or owt! :)

 

And the point about justifying a distinction in consent age between gay/straight situations (if indeed there is justification for such a distinction) must surely be premised on the potential for greater abuse/damage to the underage person than the fact that one sex might 'look older physically' :)

 

Just cos a lass of 14 might look16/18/20 how does that mean shes ready for sex with a fat sweaty 40 year old bloke who might be coercing her or using all sorts of undue pressure or influence etc?

 

Defective logic-and if not entirely defective, certainly not sound

77706[/snapback]

 

Don't turn it around to make it look like i'm condoning sex with underage girls. The point I was making is that it is even worse to act in a predatory way towards under-age males, because they are arguably less developed mentally and physically at that age. While a predatory male could argue that he is attracted to a 14/15 year-old in the same way he would be attracted to an 18/19 year old, how many 14 year old boys even look remotely like men? They were putting hormones in the food of everyone else's schools obviously.

 

Owld man/young lad or Owld man/young girl. Not right either way.

77739[/snapback]

 

I'm not saying you're condoning anything-I'm criticising your logic.

 

You never mentioned maturity in the mental sense until now, which is exactly what I think Dotbum and myself picked up on so starkly. I get where you're coming from-what you're saying basically takes account of the Graham Rix ambiguity/concern of some hetero males, which of course can be a very legitimate concern. However, that of itself does not justify treating people differently based on their sex/sexuality-these are questions of basic human rights.

 

There may be a legitimate reason to treat people differently but the one you put forward was not it tbh.

77751[/snapback]

 

I only ever said that. All I said was that the two situations were different because of various biological issues. I didn't say anything should be changed or that people's rights should be taken away. Therefore you've u-turned and agreed with me.

 

I can't wait to take my maternity leave. :)

 

Whether I'm right or wrong, I'm not the idiot you tried to make me out to be in your first post.

77769[/snapback]

 

You said that male hetero and homo ages of consent could not be the same and then premised this entirely upon the 'Graham Rix'/14 year old girls in nightclubs argument. That's (quite simply) defective logic. Thats all I'm pointing out.

77785[/snapback]

 

 

You win. Can I retract that statement? I didn't mean it to come out that way.

 

Not faulty logic, poor communication skills.

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Oh, and Meenzer, did you not get an 'awkward' stage during puberty? Did you go out looking for cock the moment your balls dropped?

77687[/snapback]

Absolutely, and I won't claim for a moment to have been the same, either emotionally or physically, at age 14/15 as I am now (no beer gut, for a start) - but, by the same token, I was already through with a good amount of what puberty had to throw at me, and more importantly I was already pretty sure that I wasn't going to fit the Hetero Male model of life. From what I know of other people, that makes me more the exception than the rule, and obviously the law has to try to find an "average" age that fits the reality of the situation as snugly as possible, but it doesn't change the fact that I knew what I wanted pretty early on. I suppose in this day and age I might've just stayed at home, surfed for porn and knocked one off instead, but that option wasn't open to me then - and when you're not the kind of teenager whose underwear elastic catapults across the room every time Baywatch comes on, your experimentation inevitably tends to take a different form. :)A potentially dangerous one, maybe, but then so (one might argue) are anyone's first steps into relationships and sex, whatever their age...

77770[/snapback]

 

 

At least nee bloke could get you up the duff like! :)

77777[/snapback]

 

 

At least he hopes not. I wouldn't like to wait 9 months to have a crap.

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(male)homosexual and hetero ages of consent cannot be treated equally, because a girl develops quicker than a boy.

 

A 14-15 year-old girl might pass for an 18-20 (especially with the right clothes and make-up), but a 14 year-old lad would look his age most of the time, surely?

 

When I was 18, I still looked about 14. Missed an opportunity to make a few quid, I reckon.  :razz:

 

Oh, and Meenzer, did you not get an 'awkward' stage during puberty? Did you go out looking for cock the moment your balls dropped?

77687[/snapback]

 

Thats the worst logic I've ever heard. Truly lamentable reasoning. Pick up your cards and your N-O premium lifetime membership on the way out. :)

77694[/snapback]

 

Explain how it is wrong, rather than just saying "Wrong, ner ner."

77695[/snapback]

 

 

It's clearly based on a male hetero viewpoint for a start.

 

Not that I'm bent or owt! :)

 

And the point about justifying a distinction in consent age between gay/straight situations (if indeed there is justification for such a distinction) must surely be premised on the potential for greater abuse/damage to the underage person than the fact that one sex might 'look older physically' :)

 

Just cos a lass of 14 might look16/18/20 how does that mean shes ready for sex with a fat sweaty 40 year old bloke who might be coercing her or using all sorts of undue pressure or influence etc?

 

Defective logic-and if not entirely defective, certainly not sound

77706[/snapback]

 

Don't turn it around to make it look like i'm condoning sex with underage girls. The point I was making is that it is even worse to act in a predatory way towards under-age males, because they are arguably less developed mentally and physically at that age. While a predatory male could argue that he is attracted to a 14/15 year-old in the same way he would be attracted to an 18/19 year old, how many 14 year old boys even look remotely like men? They were putting hormones in the food of everyone else's schools obviously.

 

Owld man/young lad or Owld man/young girl. Not right either way.

77739[/snapback]

 

I'm not saying you're condoning anything-I'm criticising your logic.

 

You never mentioned maturity in the mental sense until now, which is exactly what I think Dotbum and myself picked up on so starkly. I get where you're coming from-what you're saying basically takes account of the Graham Rix ambiguity/concern of some hetero males, which of course can be a very legitimate concern. However, that of itself does not justify treating people differently based on their sex/sexuality-these are questions of basic human rights.

 

There may be a legitimate reason to treat people differently but the one you put forward was not it tbh.

77751[/snapback]

 

I only ever said that. All I said was that the two situations were different because of various biological issues. I didn't say anything should be changed or that people's rights should be taken away. Therefore you've u-turned and agreed with me.

 

I can't wait to take my maternity leave. :)

 

Whether I'm right or wrong, I'm not the idiot you tried to make me out to be in your first post.

77769[/snapback]

 

You said that male hetero and homo ages of consent could not be the same and then premised this entirely upon the 'Graham Rix'/14 year old girls in nightclubs argument. That's (quite simply) defective logic. Thats all I'm pointing out.

77785[/snapback]

 

 

You win. Can I retract that statement? I didn't mean it to come out that way.

 

Not faulty logic, poor communication skills.

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Fair do's marra! :rolleyes:

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Fuck me Meenzer I didn't realise you took it in the tea towel holder, it takes all sorts i suppose

77778[/snapback]

 

What, to post on a Newcastle message board? :)

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You learn something new everyday posting on here, not all pleasant though

:)

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