Rayvin 5189 Posted January 4, 2022 Share Posted January 4, 2022 2 minutes ago, Renton said: No you haven't! I have fwiw. Might be surprising to hear, was a few years back, but it happened Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex 34954 Posted January 4, 2022 Share Posted January 4, 2022 (edited) I can understand people voting leave. I can’t understand anyone still arguing it’s a good idea whilst simultaneously not being able to offer up a single positive. And living in France as well On the plus side the new beige as fuck CT means we haven’t had anyone to fill the void left by the Ginger Quim Edited January 4, 2022 by Alex 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewerk 30409 Posted January 4, 2022 Share Posted January 4, 2022 Brexit wasn't the problem just the people implementing it. See also: communism. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gemmill 44561 Posted January 4, 2022 Share Posted January 4, 2022 Hey Edwina Currie nailed pretty much the only positive the other day: "sticking two fingers up to the EU." And even then that's only if you're into that sort of shit. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex 34954 Posted January 4, 2022 Share Posted January 4, 2022 (edited) I mean most of the people who campaigned for it actually implemented it. You could argue Farage is the massive hole in that argument but I’m going to go out on a limb here and say he only campaigned for it safe in the knowledge he wouldn’t implement it. I dare say he’d rather we were still in the EU, he was still picking up his MEP salary, expenses etc and still being relevant. I also think there’s s fair chance he wouldn’t have done any better than Johnson in terms of a deal. Edited January 4, 2022 by Alex Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex 34954 Posted January 4, 2022 Share Posted January 4, 2022 24 minutes ago, Asprilla said: I still have to go through UK customs 🤷🏻♂️ You had quite a lot of time to move here if you’d have wanted That’s quite a cuntish response but it’s exactly what Rayvin deserved imo for his Mr Reasonable schtick 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rayvin 5189 Posted January 4, 2022 Share Posted January 4, 2022 10 minutes ago, Alex said: That’s quite a cuntish response but it’s exactly what Rayvin deserved imo for his Mr Reasonable schtick I mean that response was aimed at Gemmill, not me I could have moved, but work made it difficult. Would have been a big risk, wasn't ready for it at the stage in life I was at. Would have taken a few more years of prep. Other than that, I don't think I've come off as any more reasonable than anyone else. My main frustration with Brexit has been the 2019 vote. The one before it was forgivable because we had no fucking clue what we were even talking about. I could write a couple of ranting essays if you want but you've all read them before - I pulled back from it mostly to avoid winding people up..! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex 34954 Posted January 4, 2022 Share Posted January 4, 2022 2 minutes ago, Rayvin said: I mean that response was aimed at Gemmill, not me I could have moved, but work made it difficult. Would have been a big risk, wasn't ready for it at the stage in life I was at. Would have taken a few more years of prep. Other than that, I don't think I've come off as any more reasonable than anyone else. My main frustration with Brexit has been the 2019 vote. The one before it was forgivable because we had no fucking clue what we were even talking about. I could write a couple of ranting essays if you want but you've all read them before - I pulled back from it mostly to avoid winding people up..! So it was I was joking anyway. Your attempts to engage with people in a polite and reasonable manner are admirable*. I don’t have the patience or the inclination tbh. *That’s a rare instance of my not being sarcastic by the way Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rayvin 5189 Posted January 4, 2022 Share Posted January 4, 2022 Just now, Alex said: So it was I was joking anyway. Your attempts to engage with people in a polite and reasonable manner are admirable*. I don’t have the patience or the inclination tbh. *That’s a rare instance of my not being sarcastic by the way Honestly I've been trying to be more assertive lately anyway so you've just flat out triggered me with the suggestion that I'm being reasonable It's mostly for my benefit, the civil discourse. I get wound up really easily. Just ask ewerk, he's barely even trying anymore because there's no sport in it 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex 34954 Posted January 4, 2022 Share Posted January 4, 2022 4 minutes ago, Rayvin said: Honestly I've been trying to be more assertive lately anyway so you've just flat out triggered me with the suggestion that I'm being reasonable It's mostly for my benefit, the civil discourse. I get wound up really easily. Just ask ewerk, he's barely even trying anymore because there's no sport in it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gemmill 44561 Posted January 4, 2022 Share Posted January 4, 2022 (edited) I mean turning up, announcing that he'd voted Leave from France, and that he'd do it again (from France) given the chance, then blaming Remain and the media for weakening the negotiating position, unable to point to one tangible benefit of his vote, and bearing none of the myriad downsides.... This was your chance, in your own specialist subject, to absolutely roundhouse someone in the face. Opportunity missed. Edited January 4, 2022 by Gemmill 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kevin Carr's Gloves 3860 Posted January 4, 2022 Share Posted January 4, 2022 1 hour ago, Asprilla said: I voted to leave because I didn’t like the way that treaties were starting to get pushed through. I didn’t like how complicated and far reaching they had become. i liked the free movement of people and hoped that it could remain somehow. However if that was the price to pay it was something I still would sacrifice. i didn’t like how the Union/Euro seemed to be set up to enable Germany to do well at the expense of Greece and other poorer countries. I don’t think any leave voter expected the sheer incompetence of the people who supposedly run the country, nor the weakened bargaining position of having almost half the country and virtually all the media trying to stop it happening. The last few years have been pretty unbearable really. The equivalent of when you hear wanker fans from (say) Portsmouth bleating about how Newcastle fans think they deserve to win stuff. it’s not true, it just gets repeated and non discerning types lap it up. im not saying there aren’t a good many racist knobheads out there who voted for those reasons, just that your average person is smarter than that, on either side. You mean all the treaties we could veto at any time? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex 34954 Posted January 4, 2022 Share Posted January 4, 2022 The world government thing seems imminent though. What with the US / the west being on such good terms with each other. You’ve then got to factor in the relationships between them and the Chinese and the Russians being so warm too Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Asprilla 96 Posted January 4, 2022 Share Posted January 4, 2022 Any problems that are currently happening in the UK could just as easily be blamed on decades of cheap foreign labour and Covid. If the case to stay had been so compelling I and millions of others would have voted for it. the amazing thing is that all the troubles that have happened since the UK left prove to each side why they were right to vote the way they did. to remainers it shows that the EU was too powerful to leave, and to the leavers it proves that the EU was to powerful to remain. I love France and it existed before the EU. It will remain after the EU is gone. IMO, the EU is just a load of crooks employing a load of middle managers making up nonsense regulations and having great pensions. it is not necessary to be a part of it to be outward looking or open minded. It’s just one particular way of doing that and one I happen to disagree with. if you disagree, cool 👍🏼it wouldn’t affect how I spoke to you or regarded you. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Asprilla 96 Posted January 4, 2022 Share Posted January 4, 2022 Btw Gemmill, I didn’t have the casting vote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Asprilla 96 Posted January 4, 2022 Share Posted January 4, 2022 I mean I get that you guys like the EU but how much? Are we talking “Still European” Facebook statuses? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewerk 30409 Posted January 4, 2022 Share Posted January 4, 2022 15 minutes ago, Asprilla said: to remainers it shows that the EU was too powerful to leave, and to the leavers it proves that the EU was to powerful to remain. IMO, the EU is just a load of crooks employing a load of middle managers making up nonsense regulations and having great pensions. Yeah, the thing is that the EU is powerful and we were part of that power. We're now a medium sized country who voluntarily left the world's most successful trading bloc. And as for the point of them being crooks, have you seen what has been going on in the UK lately? And for time immortal if you want to look back. One thing you have in common with all leavers is that you can't point to one single tangible benefit of leaving. And that's because there isn't one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaddockLad 17165 Posted January 4, 2022 Share Posted January 4, 2022 I think Brexit was led by some very, very bad actors who manipulated large parts of the UK electorate into voting against their immediate and long term interests. @Asprilla 's talk of one world government isn't completely misplaced but The EU is infinetly preferable to me at least to the sort of organised crime gangster states that Bannon, Putin and Farage want us to inhabit. You seem to have looked at the bad side of the EU which I'd largely agree with you on but didn't look too hard at either the real motives of the campaign or who the leaders' friends are... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Asprilla 96 Posted January 4, 2022 Share Posted January 4, 2022 45 minutes ago, ewerk said: Yeah, the thing is that the EU is powerful and we were part of that power. We're now a medium sized country who voluntarily left the world's most successful trading bloc. And as for the point of them being crooks, have you seen what has been going on in the UK lately? And for time immortal if you want to look back. One thing you have in common with all leavers is that you can't point to one single tangible benefit of leaving. And that's because there isn't one. This argument sounds like a guy who’s trying to justify why some girl should sleep with him. Not wanting to is reason enough. Also, the challenge is deliberately designed to “fail”. Of course right now there is chaos and more than a little ill will. We don’t know what the long term outcome will be. The EU had 40 odd years to implement its system. Not everyone (myself included) liked the direction it was going in. If it was just a trading block nobody would have voted to leave. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Asprilla 96 Posted January 4, 2022 Share Posted January 4, 2022 45 minutes ago, PaddockLad said: I think Brexit was led by some very, very bad actors who manipulated large parts of the UK electorate into voting against their immediate and long term interests. @Asprilla 's talk of one world government isn't completely misplaced but The EU is infinetly preferable to me at least to the sort of organised crime gangster states that Bannon, Putin and Farage want us to inhabit. You seem to have looked at the bad side of the EU which I'd largely agree with you on but didn't look too hard at either the real motives of the campaign or who the leaders' friends are... That argument works both ways. The influx of cheap labour benefitted “fat cat” types and was (IMO) to the detriment of ordinary people. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
strawb 4194 Posted January 4, 2022 Share Posted January 4, 2022 8 minutes ago, Asprilla said: This argument sounds like a guy who’s trying to justify why some girl should sleep with him. Not wanting to is reason enough. Also, the challenge is deliberately designed to “fail”. Of course right now there is chaos and more than a little ill will. We don’t know what the long term outcome will be. The EU had 40 odd years to implement its system. Not everyone (myself included) liked the direction it was going in. If it was just a trading block nobody would have voted to leave. Still no tangible benefits though? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Asprilla 96 Posted January 4, 2022 Share Posted January 4, 2022 8 minutes ago, strawb said: Still no tangible benefits though? There are no immediate tangible benefits to loads of things 🤷🏻♂️ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Asprilla 96 Posted January 4, 2022 Share Posted January 4, 2022 Eg giving up smoking Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NJS 4375 Posted January 4, 2022 Share Posted January 4, 2022 I see the messy haired cunt has said he can't implement the promised vat reduction on fuel because "it's complicated". He also said anyone who voted remain can't question why a promised benefit can't be done. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
strawb 4194 Posted January 4, 2022 Share Posted January 4, 2022 6 minutes ago, Asprilla said: There are no immediate tangible benefits to loads of things 🤷🏻♂️ Name me a long term one then Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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