Isegrim 10024 Posted June 20, 2021 Share Posted June 20, 2021 16 minutes ago, TheGingerQuiff said: Perhaps the problem was with the EU. A significant part of the populations of a lot of countries don't like freedom of movement. If they hadn't been so inflexible on it they wouldn't be in a perilous situation. When I was working abroad before the vote I got speaking to a German lad who asked me about brexit. Told him I wanted to remain and that the issue on the leave side was immigration. He ranted at me for about 10 minutes on how he hates it. Yes, you were certainly speaking to a Hans Wurst representing the dominant public opinion. Probably was an antivaxxer too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheGingerQuiff 2412 Posted June 20, 2021 Share Posted June 20, 2021 4 minutes ago, Gemmill said: I think most Remainers have accepted losing the vote. Leavers now have to accept that what they "won" is, across the board, an absolute parcel of shite. It's Leavers that are currently having a problem with acceptance. They probably do acknowledge it deep down. But the hostility won't allow them to admit it. Either way, it is what it is. Arguing about it is doing nothing apart from creating a hostile atmosphere. Shut the fuck up is what I'm getting at lads Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheGingerQuiff 2412 Posted June 20, 2021 Share Posted June 20, 2021 1 minute ago, Isegrim said: Yes, you were certainly speaking to a Hans Wurst representing the dominant public opinion. Probably was an antivaxxer too. There's significant numbers in the EU that don't like freedom of movement, even if it isn't a majority. It's a divisive policy and therefore flawed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Isegrim 10024 Posted June 20, 2021 Share Posted June 20, 2021 15 minutes ago, TheGingerQuiff said: There's significant numbers in the EU that don't like freedom of movement, even if it isn't a majority. It's a divisive policy and therefore flawed Well, they should shut up then and get on with life. Them xenophobes moaning certainly doesn’t help to move things forward. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheGingerQuiff 2412 Posted June 20, 2021 Share Posted June 20, 2021 1 minute ago, Isegrim said: Well, they should shut up then and get on with life. Them xenophobes moaning certainly doesn’t help to move things forward. Moaning and incessantly attacking people's intelligence are different animals. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Isegrim 10024 Posted June 20, 2021 Share Posted June 20, 2021 2 minutes ago, TheGingerQuiff said: Moaning and incessantly attacking people's intelligence are different animals. Ah, Remoaners sticking to moaning but not being nasty is all you do want? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheGingerQuiff 2412 Posted June 20, 2021 Share Posted June 20, 2021 2 minutes ago, Isegrim said: Ah, Remoaners sticking to moaning but not being nasty is all you do want? Aye. Presenting arguments in a less hostile fashion would go some way to preventing polarised politics. On both sides. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rayvin 5572 Posted June 20, 2021 Share Posted June 20, 2021 I have to say mate, I'm further than I've ever been from caring about political unity or finding common ground with people on the other side of the debate in this country. I'm still fucking pissed about it. I don't see why I should be quiet about that just to make some leave voters feel like we're all unified. I have never felt less British than I do right now, and I'm struggling to see what in their 'vision of the country' I would even want to unify on. Live and let burn is pretty much where I am at the minute 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheGingerQuiff 2412 Posted June 20, 2021 Share Posted June 20, 2021 5 minutes ago, Rayvin said: I have to say mate, I'm further than I've ever been from caring about political unity or finding common ground with people on the other side of the debate in this country. I'm still fucking pissed about it. I don't see why I should be quiet about that just to make some leave voters feel like we're all unified. I have never felt less British than I do right now, and I'm struggling to see what in their 'vision of the country' I would even want to unify on. Live and let burn is pretty much where I am at the minute I mean the hostility in politics is just tiring exhausting and outright depressing at the moment. What happened to respectfully disagreeing on issues? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheGingerQuiff 2412 Posted June 20, 2021 Share Posted June 20, 2021 How's the social anxiety anyway @Rayvin? I recently discovered Pregabalin. Bliss. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rayvin 5572 Posted June 20, 2021 Share Posted June 20, 2021 Just now, TheGingerQuiff said: I mean the hostility in politics is just tiring exhausting and outright depressing at the moment. What happened to respectfully disagreeing on issues? I think respectfully disagreeing is only possible when everyone is arguing honestly. If someone is taking disingenuous or obviously poorly informed viewpoints, and treats facts that counter these views as personal attacks, then there's really no room for respectful disagreement. I would still, to this day, have a respectful conversation with a leave voter if they were prepared to engage on it properly. I would also contend that your average leave voter has more of an emotional attachment to leaving, rather than a rational one. Whereas you average remain voter is the other way around. Hard to join that really. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rayvin 5572 Posted June 20, 2021 Share Posted June 20, 2021 (edited) 2 minutes ago, TheGingerQuiff said: How's the social anxiety anyway @Rayvin? I recently discovered Pregabalin. Bliss. I'm trying to talk about politics less It's still not great really but lockdown ending and the return to socialising is helping me somewhat, as I'm sure it is everyone else. Is Pregablin over the counter? I'm considering medicating for it in truth. Edited June 20, 2021 by Rayvin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheGingerQuiff 2412 Posted June 20, 2021 Share Posted June 20, 2021 Just now, Rayvin said: I think respectfully disagreeing is only possible when everyone is arguing honestly. If someone is taking disingenuous or obviously poorly informed viewpoints, and treats facts that counter these views as personal attacks, then there's really no room for respectful disagreement. I would still, to this day, have a respectful conversation with a leave voter if they were prepared to engage on it properly. I would also contend that your average leave voter has more of an emotional attachment to leaving, rather than a rational one. Whereas you average remain voter is the other way around. Hard to join that really. It has to get to a point where you realise that arguing with them is achieving nothing though. Let them reap what they've sewn. Things might even end up okay eventually Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheGingerQuiff 2412 Posted June 20, 2021 Share Posted June 20, 2021 1 minute ago, Rayvin said: I'm trying to talk about politics less It's still not great really but lockdown ending and the return to socialising is helping me somewhat, as I'm sure it is everyone else. Is Pregablin over the counter? I'm considering medicating for it in truth. Over the counter on telegram mate 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rayvin 5572 Posted June 20, 2021 Share Posted June 20, 2021 Just now, TheGingerQuiff said: It has to get to a point where you realise that arguing with them is achieving nothing though. Let them reap what they've sewn. Things might even end up okay eventually Well yeah but I think to some extent that's what has/is happening. People in here sharing stories about Brexit being a fuck up is just for consumption within an echo chamber. It's nice to have validation that there are other people out there as frustrated by it as I am. I don't go out of my way to argue with Brexit voters, it's really a non-issue for me day to day other than that I still think it's fucking stupid. I mean I take the point though, I have tried to step back from a lot of it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheGingerQuiff 2412 Posted June 20, 2021 Share Posted June 20, 2021 The vaccine rollout success has me thinking that we do have something about us and will be fine. We're a tiny island and one of the worlds biggest economies for a reason Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Isegrim 10024 Posted June 20, 2021 Share Posted June 20, 2021 22 minutes ago, TheGingerQuiff said: Aye. Presenting arguments in a less hostile fashion would go some way to preventing polarised politics. On both sides. Exactly, it’s working both ways. You can’t make politics divisive and hostile for years until you get what you want, but then expect niceties once you are on the receiving end just to “move forward”. Brexiteers just reap what they sow. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheGingerQuiff 2412 Posted June 20, 2021 Share Posted June 20, 2021 1 minute ago, Isegrim said: Exactly, it’s working both ways. You can’t make politics divisive and hostile for years until you get what you want, but then expect niceties once you are on the receiving end just to “move forward”. Brexiteers just reap what they sow. It certainly wasn't nearly as vitriolic as this before the referendum was called Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gemmill 47213 Posted June 20, 2021 Share Posted June 20, 2021 I'll be honest, all this talk of unity just feels a bit low t. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheGingerQuiff 2412 Posted June 20, 2021 Share Posted June 20, 2021 Stoicism is high t my friend. Practiced by Greek gods Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gemmill 47213 Posted June 20, 2021 Share Posted June 20, 2021 Someone needs to tell the farmers and the fishermen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheGingerQuiff 2412 Posted June 20, 2021 Share Posted June 20, 2021 Fuck them Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Isegrim 10024 Posted June 20, 2021 Share Posted June 20, 2021 11 minutes ago, TheGingerQuiff said: It certainly wasn't nearly as vitriolic as this before the referendum was called Joe Cox isn’t available for comment tbh Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheGingerQuiff 2412 Posted June 20, 2021 Share Posted June 20, 2021 1 minute ago, Isegrim said: Joe Cox isn’t available for comment tbh Is that Jo Cox's husband? If you do mean Jo then she was murdered after the referdum was called mate 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheGingerQuiff 2412 Posted June 20, 2021 Share Posted June 20, 2021 1 minute ago, TheGingerQuiff said: Is that Jo Cox's husband? If you do mean Jo then she was murdered after the referdum was called mate Tbh Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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