Europe --- In or Out

[Dr Gloom 21801]

27 minutes ago, Rayvin said:

What are the tariffs likely to be? Is it an across the board figure or variable depending on specifics?

sounds like they vary sector by sector, according to this explainer on the beeb:

 

What happens if there's no trade deal?

The UK would have to trade with the EU on WTO rules - at least, initially.

In this scenario, the EU would impose its tariffs on imported UK goods.

The average EU tariff is pretty low (about 2.8% for non-agricultural products) but in some sectors tariffs can be quite high.

Cars would be taxed at 10% with some agricultural tariffs higher still - rising to an average of more than 35% for dairy products.

This would have a big impact on UK businesses selling their goods to the EU.

[ewerk 30221]

50 minutes ago, Dr Gloom said:

 

This would have a big impact on GB businesses selling their goods to the EU.

NIYP

[Alex 34786]

Sadly I think the huge kick in the nads is what the country needs. Some leavers will never accept they’re wrong but enough floating voters (or selfish cunts as I like to call them) only care about their own prosperity. Something that makes them significantly worse off will be reflected at the next election 

[Dr Gloom 21801]

Well, it’s what they voted for 

[Meenzer 15371]

"Thread" and all that. Of course, none of this should come as the slightest surprise to anyone who's been paying attention, but, y'know....

 

 

[Kid Dynamite 6985]

8 hours ago, Rayvin said:

I mean, sometimes you tell yourself that Johnson is just act, and that the real man isn't as fucking useless as he seems to be, but then you read stuff like this and realise that the only thing that makes you think he's pretending to be a buffoon is that it's simply inconceivable that a man this fucking stupid is running the country.

[Kid Dynamite 6985]

I've got some money saved to buy a new exhaust for my bike. £1000 ish
 

I don't want to buy it now in case I get fucked over with a bill for 20% VAT when it arrives after January 1st and customs decide the vat paid on it in Italy no longer counts 

 

But if I leave it until the new year the £ will potentially drop 20% against the € anyway meaning I still get fucked over.

 

You can x this issue by a thousand fold for any businesses that are currently trading into and out of the EU. Everyone is being told to prepare for Brexit but it's fucking impossible unless they know what they are preparing for. It's going to be an absolute clusterfuck 

Edited December 11, 2020 by Kid Dynamite

[Dr Gloom 21801]

I just bought a new house. Got a sneaky suspicion I traded up at the top of the market  🙈

[PaddockLad 17067]

8 minutes ago, Dr Gloom said:

I just bought a new house. Got a sneaky suspicion I traded up at the top of the market  🙈

Have you been incited into this rash act by the stamp duty holiday Gloom?

 

 

 

[Meenzer 15371]

I wouldn't worry, house price inflation is basically all we have left to kid ourselves into thinking we're a productive economy, so it's also the one thing every government will protect to the last. And it's not like interest rates are going up any time soon, if ever again.  

[Dr Gloom 21801]

4 minutes ago, PaddockLad said:

Have you been incited into this rash act by the stamp duty holiday Gloom?

 

 

 

No. We had to move to get our kid into the catchment area for secondary school. Terrible timing 

[Dr Gloom 21801]

4 minutes ago, Meenzer said:

I wouldn't worry, house price inflation is basically all we have left to kid ourselves into thinking we're a productive economy, so it's also the one thing every government will protect to the last. And it's not like interest rates are going up any time soon, if ever again.  

I dunno, I keep reading we might be entering a new inflationary period then waking up in the night in a cold sweat. 

[Dr Gloom 21801]

It’s war then

 

[Renton 21231]

I hope the fish are grateful for the protection they are being afforded by her majesty's navy. 

[Meenzer 15371]

[Monkeys Fist 42004]

1 hour ago, Dr Gloom said:

It’s war then

 

I remember the Cod Wars with Iceland in the 70s- shittest war ever. 

[Renton 21231]

Which we lost. Against fucking Iceland!

 

This is a canny summary from Alex from Remainiacs or whatever its called now.

 

 

 

[ewerk 30221]

 So they can’t decide if he’s disingenuous or just plain stupid. This country...

[Dr Gloom 21801]

49 minutes ago, ewerk said:

 So they can’t decide if he’s disingenuous or just plain stupid. This country...

Bit of both tbh

[Alex 34786]

1 hour ago, ewerk said:

 So they can’t decide if he’s disingenuous or just plain stupid. This country...

What gloom said 

[Meenzer 15371]

I do love a good #thread 

 

 

[Rayvin 5164]

I'd be curious to know how many people are still backing No Deal tbh. Is it still around the 40% mark or have they been shaken yet?

 

Was polled by Yougov earlier so I'm guessing that there'll be some data on this in the coming days.

Edited December 12, 2020 by Rayvin

[NJS 4365]

Most fuckwits just want it done and don't care or understand the nuances of the talks. 

[Dr Gloom 21801]

What does everyone think? Brinkmanship or are the Brits actually going for no deal?

I always believed common sense would prevail. It is in nobody’s interest to erect trade barriers. It’s going to be shite for the EU, even worse for us. A failure of statecraft on both sides. And yet both sides seem be boxed into a corner. How do we reach a compromise from here without another extension, which doesn’t exactly chime with getting Brexit  done?

[Rayvin 5164]

I think we're going for no deal frankly. Even acknowledging the fact that as per the tweet further up, it makes absolutely no sense to do so, it also doesn't make any sense for brinkmanship to be a factor at this stage. I mean, what would we be trying to get?