Gemmill 44864 Posted October 19, 2019 Share Posted October 19, 2019 Bang to rights. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex 35079 Posted October 19, 2019 Share Posted October 19, 2019 Ronnie Campbell has never done much to help his constituents Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewerk 30602 Posted October 19, 2019 Share Posted October 19, 2019 He was interviewed yesterday and said he hadn’t made up his mind. He made the point himself that this could be devastating for workers’ rights but he still might vote for it. I’d like someone to challenge these Labour MPs to spend five minutes explaining why they first joined the Labour Party then another five minutes squaring those motivations with what is contained in this deal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gemmill 44864 Posted October 19, 2019 Share Posted October 19, 2019 Caroline Flint is claiming they've secured workers rights etc so she can now vote for it. Any number of lawyers have dismantled her claims - disingenuous or thick. It's hard to know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rayvin 5220 Posted October 19, 2019 Share Posted October 19, 2019 1 minute ago, Gemmill said: Caroline Flint is claiming they've secured workers rights etc so she can now vote for it. Any number of lawyers have dismantled her claims - disingenuous or thick. It's hard to know. Honestly, if we have to do this maybe it's for the best that it's pretty much the most extreme option possible. It'll hurt more and make it easier to demonstrate why it was wrong. If Labour MPs are going to vote for this then it really is over. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gemmill 44864 Posted October 19, 2019 Share Posted October 19, 2019 Nothing is over today if Letwin passes. Which it more than likely will. The government might pull the vote entirely. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rayvin 5220 Posted October 19, 2019 Share Posted October 19, 2019 1 minute ago, Gemmill said: Nothing is over today if Letwin passes. Which it more than likely will. The government might pull the vote entirely. What does it change though. The pieces are all set, everyone has chosen their side. He's just delaying the inevitable now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gemmill 44864 Posted October 19, 2019 Share Posted October 19, 2019 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gemmill 44864 Posted October 19, 2019 Share Posted October 19, 2019 17 minutes ago, Rayvin said: What does it change though. The pieces are all set, everyone has chosen their side. He's just delaying the inevitable now. Nah. If there's an extension and they get more time to study the bill, the bill will change. Amendments will be made to secure against No Deal, at which point the ERG support will drift away. If he doesn't get his vote today, the maths changes. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rayvin 5220 Posted October 19, 2019 Share Posted October 19, 2019 I really hope you're right mate but this just feels inevitable now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewerk 30602 Posted October 19, 2019 Share Posted October 19, 2019 What Gemmill said. It’s been a fear of some for a while that the ERG could back the deal today in order to negate the Benn Act then vote against in the second or third reading to crash us out with no deal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rayvin 5220 Posted October 19, 2019 Share Posted October 19, 2019 1 minute ago, ewerk said: What Gemmill said. It’s been a fear of some for a while that the ERG could back the deal today in order to negate the Benn Act then vote against in the second or third reading to crash us out with no deal. Right but why does that change the overall thrust of this? So they close the loophole, the government brings back the bill on Monday and everyone votes for it. Why would this change anyone's vote? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gemmill 44864 Posted October 19, 2019 Share Posted October 19, 2019 Not even gonna have the vote. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewerk 30602 Posted October 19, 2019 Share Posted October 19, 2019 There’s a reason Johnson wants the vote today. It’s an effort to try and push it through without proper analysis or scrutiny. At the moment he’s upset the odds and rode into No.10 on his mighty steed with his shiny new deal. The more this deal gets picked apart and analysed, especially economically, the more people will realise it’s a turd rolled in glitter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gemmill 44864 Posted October 19, 2019 Share Posted October 19, 2019 A day of farce awaits. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gemmill 44864 Posted October 19, 2019 Share Posted October 19, 2019 @ewerk There's patter on twitter that all the peaky blinders in Ireland are gonna kick off about the deal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rayvin 5220 Posted October 19, 2019 Share Posted October 19, 2019 4 minutes ago, ewerk said: There’s a reason Johnson wants the vote today. It’s an effort to try and push it through without proper analysis or scrutiny. At the moment he’s upset the odds and rode into No.10 on his mighty steed with his shiny new deal. The more this deal gets picked apart and analysed, especially economically, the more people will realise it’s a turd rolled in glitter. Has the text of the deal been released? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewerk 30602 Posted October 19, 2019 Share Posted October 19, 2019 Yeah. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rayvin 5220 Posted October 19, 2019 Share Posted October 19, 2019 2 minutes ago, ewerk said: Yeah. So you think that by Monday these Labour and Tory rebels will unearth something in this deal that makes it unvoteworthy? Something that, despite the national emergency this debacle is, they couldn't see by today, and so they intended to just wing it as a benefit of the doubt to Johnson? They're going to vote for it on Monday. I almost hope Letwin fails just to get it over with. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gemmill 44864 Posted October 19, 2019 Share Posted October 19, 2019 Letwin prevents a binding vote on it until the legislation has passed man. There will be no binding vote on Monday if Letwin passes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rayvin 5220 Posted October 19, 2019 Share Posted October 19, 2019 12 minutes ago, Gemmill said: Letwin prevents a binding vote on it until the legislation has passed man. There will be no binding vote on Monday if Letwin passes. Whenever it is, why will anyone change their mind? What new information comes to light? It's more time for political machinations for sure, but if there was ever a time for the remain side to pull out all the stops it was the past few days - and all we have is some ingenuity from a Tory backbencher. That's the full might of remain brought to bear on this issue. The remain side won't unite, and so divided they fall. Its over. I genuinely can't see how anything comes along to save us from here. I mean the Labour MPs had made clear weeks before the deal that they'd vote for literally anything as long as it was referred to as a deal. What comes along to change that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gemmill 44864 Posted October 19, 2019 Share Posted October 19, 2019 Mark Francois wouldn't want you in a foxhole with him, I know that. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renton 21621 Posted October 19, 2019 Share Posted October 19, 2019 16 minutes ago, Rayvin said: Whenever it is, why will anyone change their mind? What new information comes to light? It's more time for political machinations for sure, but if there was ever a time for the remain side to pull out all the stops it was the past few days - and all we have is some ingenuity from a Tory backbencher. That's the full might of remain brought to bear on this issue. The remain side won't unite, and so divided they fall. Its over. I genuinely can't see how anything comes along to save us from here. I mean the Labour MPs had made clear weeks before the deal that they'd vote for literally anything as long as it was referred to as a deal. What comes along to change that? It might come down to just one vote. Maybe Ronnie Campbell will suffer a fatal stroke. Looked close to it last night. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rayvin 5220 Posted October 19, 2019 Share Posted October 19, 2019 7 minutes ago, Gemmill said: Mark Francois wouldn't want you in a foxhole with him, I know that. Mark Francois and his ilk have kicked the shit out of all of us. I'm now in the acceptance stage of grief I think. The Labour MPs getting this over the line was the final straw. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renton 21621 Posted October 19, 2019 Share Posted October 19, 2019 Hasn't happened yet mate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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