Rayvin 6433 Posted September 3, 2019 Share Posted September 3, 2019 On 03/09/2019 at 22:05, Phil said: Well thats nonsense. All he has to do is pass a bill that says "Notwithstanding the Fixed-term Parliaments Act, we will have a general election on 14 October.", which would only require a majority. link Expand How does he get that majority given that presumably, everyone who wants to avoid No Deal voted for this pre-amendment motion tonight. He doesn't have a majority, he's got nothing. His only chance now is a GE. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rayvin 6433 Posted September 3, 2019 Share Posted September 3, 2019 On 03/09/2019 at 21:32, ewerk said: A GE would have to see Johnson campaign on a mandate of no deal. That’s the only way to keep the Brexit Party at bay but could see them losing moderate voters. I think no matter what we do he’s fucked. Expand Yeah but the other side of that equation is Corbyn. It's a tough choice for 'moderates'. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
acrossthepond 1023 Posted September 3, 2019 Share Posted September 3, 2019 On 03/09/2019 at 22:05, Phil said: Well thats nonsense. All he has to do is pass a bill that says "Notwithstanding the Fixed-term Parliaments Act, we will have a general election on 14 October.", which would only require a majority. link Expand What majority does he plan to use to get that passed? 21 rebels are having the whip withdrawn tonight. The Tories didn't have a majority to start with and now they're underwater. The opposition could actually simply and bluntly refuse to let this government fall, take control of the Parliamentary agenda, and run the Commons without the Tory party. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renton 24432 Posted September 3, 2019 Share Posted September 3, 2019 On 03/09/2019 at 22:05, Phil said: Well thats nonsense. All he has to do is pass a bill that says "Notwithstanding the Fixed-term Parliaments Act, we will have a general election on 14 October.", which would only require a majority. link Expand You mean he has to declare no confidence in his own party? That's going to look brilliant on him. And he is miles off having a majority to get it through now in any case. This government is 30 shy of an outright majority. It's the tories mess, they can sort it out, meanwhile I am anjoying their party disintegrating. They're finished. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Gloom 24239 Posted September 3, 2019 Share Posted September 3, 2019 So Churchill’s grandson and two former chancellors have had the whip removed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rayvin 6433 Posted September 3, 2019 Share Posted September 3, 2019 On 03/09/2019 at 22:11, acrossthepond said: What majority does he plan to use to get that passed? 21 rebels are having the whip withdrawn tonight. The Tories didn't have a majority to start with and now they're underwater. The opposition could actually simply and bluntly refuse to let this government fall, take control of the Parliamentary agenda, and run the Commons without the Tory party. Expand This is a good point actually He's politically castrated himself. Whether the opposition actually goes through with this humiliation I don't know... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renton 24432 Posted September 3, 2019 Share Posted September 3, 2019 On 03/09/2019 at 22:12, Dr Gloom said: So Churchill’s grandson and two former chancellors have had the whip removed Expand On the 80th anniversary of the outbreak of WW2. Stay classy Johnson. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Gloom 24239 Posted September 3, 2019 Share Posted September 3, 2019 (edited) On 03/09/2019 at 22:12, Renton said: You mean he has to declare no confidence in his own party? That's going to look brilliant on him. And he is miles off having a majority to get it through now in any case. This government is 30 shy of an outright majority. It's the tories mess, they can sort it out, meanwhile I am anjoying their party disintegrating. They're finished. Expand What follows them is potentially more troubling though. Especially if the “will of the people” is seen to have been denied. I fear the rise of English nationalism, far right and a really unpleasant political future. Edited September 3, 2019 by Dr Gloom Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Rayvin 6433 Posted September 3, 2019 Share Posted September 3, 2019 On 03/09/2019 at 22:15, Dr Gloom said: What follows them is potentially more troubling though. Especially if the “will of the people” is seen to have been denied. I fear the rise of English nationalism, far right and a really unpleasant political future. Expand Which is why we need the democratic mandate offered by a second referendum. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Gloom 24239 Posted September 3, 2019 Share Posted September 3, 2019 On 03/09/2019 at 21:24, ewerk said: So much for Boris’ charisma and him being a ‘force of nature’. The man looks completely bewildered and out of his depth, I guess him and Cummings didn’t have a master plan after all. Expand They must have known this would happen - don’t you think they’ve been preparing for this “people vs parliament” campaign, straight out of the trump playbook from the get go? Apparently Cummings has been strolling around the lobby with a glass of wine in his hand, like his owns the place, this evening. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rayvin 6433 Posted September 3, 2019 Share Posted September 3, 2019 On 03/09/2019 at 22:17, zerosum said: Expand It's actually pretty good TV though tbf. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Gloom 24239 Posted September 3, 2019 Share Posted September 3, 2019 (edited) On 03/09/2019 at 22:19, Rayvin said: Which is why we need the democratic mandate offered by a second referendum. Expand Sadly, I think this is the future of British politics. There’s bound to still be a reaction if the original referendum result is overturned. It isn’t just happening here, of course, this lurch to populism and the far right is going down all over the shop. Edited September 3, 2019 by Dr Gloom Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rayvin 6433 Posted September 3, 2019 Share Posted September 3, 2019 On 03/09/2019 at 22:19, Dr Gloom said: They must have known this would happen - don’t you think they’ve been preparing for this “people vs parliament” campaign, straight out of the trump playbook from the get go? Apparently Cummings has been strolling around the lobby with a glass of wine in his hand, like his owns the place, this evening. Expand I don't think they counted on Corbyn refusing a GE until the bill passes. I'm pretty sure everything hinged on that GE. Although I still feel that Labour should rule it out altogether until after Brexit and simply force the Tories into collapsing and just create a new government on the fly for the purposes of having a referendum. Although I do concede that this will probably hospitalise some of the Brexiteers with higher blood pressure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renton 24432 Posted September 3, 2019 Share Posted September 3, 2019 On 03/09/2019 at 22:15, Dr Gloom said: What follows them is potentially more troubling though. Especially if the “will of the people” is seen to have been denied. I fear the rise of English nationalism, far right and a really unpleasant political future. Expand We're already there man. Cummings, Johnson,, Patel etc. Youve got to be encouraged by the fight back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Gloom 24239 Posted September 3, 2019 Share Posted September 3, 2019 On 03/09/2019 at 22:20, Rayvin said: It's actually pretty good TV though tbf. Expand I don’t think I’ve ever been this engaged with politics. Makes the new labour years seem rather quaint and a bit dull. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rayvin 6433 Posted September 3, 2019 Share Posted September 3, 2019 On 03/09/2019 at 22:21, Dr Gloom said: Sadly, I think this is the future of British politics. There’s bound to still be a reaction of the original referendum result is overturned. It isn’t just happening here, of course, this lurch to populism and the far right is going down all over the shop. Expand I think the old left vs right narrative is collapsing. The battle of our era is Globalists vs Anti-globalists. And as globalists we need to do more to bring a greater number of people with us. Both the hard left and right are resisting us which is partially why we're in this mess. As for the far right, I think the 'actual' far right is no more prevalent than it has ever been. The Alt right anti globalists are in ascendancy but it can only go on for so long since, apart from tearing everything apart, they have nothing constructive to offer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zerosum 234 Posted September 3, 2019 Share Posted September 3, 2019 On 03/09/2019 at 22:22, Dr Gloom said: I don’t think I’ve ever been this engaged with politics. Makes the new labour years seem rather quaint and a bit dull. Expand whatever are we all going to moan about when brexit is gone? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Gloom 24239 Posted September 3, 2019 Share Posted September 3, 2019 On 03/09/2019 at 22:22, Renton said: We're already there man. Cummings, Johnson,, Patel etc. Youve got to be encouraged by the fight back. Expand Yeah, today feels like a momentous one. Helps that the speaker is on our side too. Those three you mention are charlatans but they’re not quite Viktor Orban Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rayvin 6433 Posted September 3, 2019 Share Posted September 3, 2019 On 03/09/2019 at 22:24, zerosum said: whatever are we all going to moan about when brexit is gone? Expand Interesting question actually. Corbyn, Johnson, in fact most of the current politicians won't survive this chaos in the end. Maybe we can complain about HS2 when that comes back in 5 years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rayvin 6433 Posted September 3, 2019 Share Posted September 3, 2019 On 03/09/2019 at 22:25, Dr Gloom said: Yeah, today feels like a momentous one. Helps that the speaker is on our side too. Those three you mention are charlatans but they’re not quite Viktor Orban Expand Personally consider Bolsonaro to be the biggest right wing threat atm. Even moreso than Trump who, honestly, is pretty fucking benign. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zerosum 234 Posted September 3, 2019 Share Posted September 3, 2019 On 03/09/2019 at 22:25, Rayvin said: Interesting question actually. Corbyn, Johnson, in fact most of the current politicians won't survive this chaos in the end. Maybe we can complain about HS2 when that comes back in 5 years. Expand haha yeah.. or just go back to nufc moaning Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rayvin 6433 Posted September 3, 2019 Share Posted September 3, 2019 I mean yeah, Ashley is the one constant in our lives. Would I prefer Revoke Brexit or No Ashley NUFC... tough one tbh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Gloom 24239 Posted September 3, 2019 Share Posted September 3, 2019 On 03/09/2019 at 22:26, Rayvin said: Personally consider Bolsonaro to be the biggest right wing threat atm. Even moreso than Trump who, honestly, is pretty fucking benign. Expand Yup, another weapons grade cunt. The point is this is happening everywhere and Brexit could be just the start of it here Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaddockLad 19614 Posted September 3, 2019 Share Posted September 3, 2019 (edited) On 03/09/2019 at 22:12, Renton said: You mean he has to declare no confidence in his own party? That's going to look brilliant on him. And he is miles off having a majority to get it through now in any case. This government is 30 shy of an outright majority. It's the tories mess, they can sort it out, meanwhile I am anjoying their party disintegrating. They're finished. Expand Not quite, theres fresh blood coming through... Edited September 3, 2019 by PaddockLad 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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