Europe --- In or Out

[Renton 21306]

Conservatives to go for a VONC in itself, with the opposition successfully opposing at this rate. You literally couldn't make this shit up, really.

 

Every time i go on holiday I come back to a more insane UK. 

[Dr Gloom 21812]

Quite a few big beasts about to have the Tory whip removed 

[ewerk 30266]

They won’t go through with the threat.

[Renton 21306]

10 minutes ago, Dr Gloom said:

Quite a few big beasts about to have the Tory whip removed 

 

So Johnson is already leading a minority government. This will mean he will be leading a super minority government and unable to enact a GE? What then? He's fucked isnt he?

[ewerk 30266]

Lucas calling out JRM for lying sprawled across the front bench.  

[Dr Gloom 21812]

34 minutes ago, ewerk said:

They won’t go through with the threat.

The Beeb were saying the cull of the rebels who have already declared which way they're voting has begun

[Anorthernsoul 1221]

18 minutes ago, ewerk said:

Lucas calling out JRM for lying sprawled across the front bench.  

 

 

 

[ewerk 30266]

What an entitled cunt he is.

[ewerk 30266]

17 Labour MPs planning to amend tomorrow’s bill on bring back May’s deal.

[ewerk 30266]

328-301 in favour. Comfortable victory in the end.

[Renton 21306]

Well done Corbyn! Not falling for the elephant trap. The look on that cunt's Johnsons face. 

Edited September 3, 2019 by Renton

[ewerk 30266]

Corbyn not quite taking Johnson’s election bait.

[Anorthernsoul 1221]

[ewerk 30266]

So much for Boris’ charisma and him being a ‘force of nature’. The man looks completely bewildered and out of his depth, I guess him and Cummings didn’t have a master plan after all.

[Rayvin 5176]

I'm not sure about this stance from Corbyn. Ok so the bill gets passed first, great, but if the GE is still pre-exit date, then it potentially changes nothing.

 

A GE isn't the way to solve this. I would have said that simply rejecting the GE, forcing a vote of no confidence and then trying to create a new government through coalition with the sole aim of getting a referendum through, would be the way to go.

 

A GE opens the door for Boris to come back with a bigger mandate.

[ewerk 30266]

A GE would have to see Johnson campaign on a mandate of no deal. That’s the only way to keep the Brexit Party at bay but could see them losing moderate voters.

I think no matter what we do he’s fucked.

[Anorthernsoul 1221]

Any Tory that believed Boris Johnson was capable of being anything other than a cunt should be sectioned.

[Phil 6]

1 hour ago, Renton said:

 

So Johnson is already leading a minority government. This will mean he will be leading a super minority government and unable to enact a GE? What then? He's fucked isnt he?

 

How is he fucked??  He needed to purge the party of remainers so he can enter a general election with a clear pro brexit mandate, deal or no deal.  Labour/Libdem will split the remain vote.

 

I read earlier today that as a current member of the EU, we can veto our own extension request, which could use it to push through a general election.

 

[Phil 6]

11 minutes ago, Anorthernsoul said:

Any Tory that believed Boris Johnson was capable of being anything other than a cunt should be sectioned.

 

What about people who believe in Corbyn 

[trophyshy 7073]

[Renton 21306]

31 minutes ago, ewerk said:

A GE would have to see Johnson campaign on a mandate of no deal. That’s the only way to keep the Brexit Party at bay but could see them losing moderate voters.

I think no matter what we do he’s fucked.

 

BP will get a lot of votes from the conservatives if Johnson can't deliver. They'll be split with them in Brexit shires, fall to the LDs in the SW, and eliminated in Scotland. Maybe the ousted wets might stand as independents causing a few losses.  I would like to think we'll get a labour/SNP/LD coalition in the event of a GE.

Edited September 3, 2019 by Renton

[Anorthernsoul 1221]

1 minute ago, Phil said:

 

What about people who believe in Corbyn 

 

Looking at his cabinet I'd say equally as deluded.

[Renton 21306]

2 minutes ago, Phil said:

 

How is he fucked??  He needed to purge the party of remainers so he can enter a general election with a clear pro brexit mandate, deal or no deal.  Labour/Libdem will split the remain vote.

 

I read earlier today that as a current member of the EU, we can veto our own extension request, which could use it to push through a general election.

 

 

Have you heard of the fixed term parliament act, which Cameron introduced. No way can he get a 2/3 majority to get his GE. He knows this hence his tantrum.

 

Your last sentence is complete bull shit. 

[Phil 6]

3 minutes ago, Renton said:

 

Have you heard of the fixed term parliament act, which Cameron introduced. No way can he get a 2/3 majority to get his GE. He knows this hence his tantrum.

 

Your last sentence is complete bull shit. 

 

Well thats nonsense.  All he has to do is pass a bill that says "Notwithstanding the Fixed-term Parliaments Act, we will have a general election on 14 October.", which would only require a majority. link

 

 

[Rayvin 5176]

18 minutes ago, Phil said:

 

How is he fucked??  He needed to purge the party of remainers so he can enter a general election with a clear pro brexit mandate, deal or no deal.  Labour/Libdem will split the remain vote.

 

I read earlier today that as a current member of the EU, we can veto our own extension request, which could use it to push through a general election.

 

 

He didn't have the face of someone who looked like they were getting everything they wanted. And he was humiliated earlier when he had to actually respond to pressing questions.

 

I thought we were inevitably heading for No Deal, but now, seeing his abject performance tonight, I'm actually more positive. No one on the 'No Deal' side had any answers to anything, they just ran away from all questions and scrutiny.

 

He doesn't have the balls to veto the extension. He doesn't even have enough balls to resign when he gets forced to ask for an extension.