Europe --- In or Out

[Dr Gloom 21812]

Johnson needs two thirds of MPs to vote for a snap GE to force it through parliament. Assuming the anti-no deal alliance legislate against his negotiating strategy, wouldn’t they also vote against Johnson if he calls a GE? Just to bury no deal altogether? It would take a lot of rebels on both sides of the house to do it as Corbyn is clearly going to whip for it. 

[Rayvin 5176]

I don't understand, seriously, how Corbyn has continuously managed to be the second most terrifying person in the room on Brexit after Johnson. I'd currently rank him ahead of Farage on that metric.

[Rayvin 5176]

Having said that, it does at least sound like Labour are taking all the various threats of moving dates and ignoring laws quite seriously.

[ewerk 30266]

Corbyn himself would have been stupid enough to fall for it, thankfully there's more intelligent people in the room.

[Rayvin 5176]

I still think he's just a figurehead, sadly. Whenever anything relevant happens that he needs to pivot on, he trots out Labour's previously held position, despite it no longer having relevancy, and then two days later he's rolled out with a more nuanced version of the position that they've programmed him with.

[Dr Gloom 21812]

Seamus Milne is the “brains” behind the project 

[Gemmill 44392]

Meeting between Johnson and the rebel alliance didn't go well by the sound of it. He didn't reckon on Hammond the rebel MP being quite so street tuff. 

[Meenzer 15405]

Rough like a ninja, stinging like a bee!

[Rayvin 5176]

Opposition parties won't vote for GE until Benn passes - so there goes BoJo's bid to shaft us tomorrow.

[ewerk 30266]

46 minutes ago, Rayvin said:

Opposition parties won't vote for GE until Benn passes - so there goes BoJo's bid to shaft us tomorrow.

 

Very, very risky.

[Rayvin 5176]

Why Corbyn, fucking WHY?!

[ewerk 30266]

I can't see him doing so without a mass rebellion.

[Gemmill 44392]

Johnson just got fucking rinsed for a solid couple of hours there. He is terrible at this job. 

[Dr Gloom 21812]

Useless when he isn’t cracking gags to an appreciative audience 

[PaddockLad 17079]

Johnson just achieved the near impossible by making Corbyn sound statesmanlike. He’s fuckin hopeless

 

 

[Rayvin 5176]

If the amendment passes, and the GE vote fails, can the government be subject to a vote of no confidence anyway? And could a Labour/SNP/Lib Dem coalition take over?

[Rayvin 5176]

It might not even need the Lib Dems at the rate the Tories are imploding...

[PaddockLad 17079]

 

[Rayvin 5176]

JRM is an absolute charlatan. He's ducked every difficult question.

[ewerk 30266]

58 minutes ago, Rayvin said:

If the amendment passes, and the GE vote fails, can the government be subject to a vote of no confidence anyway? And could a Labour/SNP/Lib Dem coalition take over?

The government could hold a vote of no confidence in itself or Corbyn could call one.

[Rayvin 5176]

But what would the outcome be if not a GE?

[Rayvin 5176]

This high theatre of just fascinating. People ask questions and then sit down on their phones, I doubt anyone changes their minds as it happens. What is it for? Until Brexit did anyone actually even pay any attention?

[ewerk 30266]

27 minutes ago, Rayvin said:

But what would the outcome be if not a GE?

A national unity government would be one potential outcome.

[Rayvin 5176]

So this has to be the play for Remain, surely. We can get the motherfucking referendum that way. Labour can walk away without blame cos the people will decide no matter what, and then we can go on from there with the Tories in ruins.

[ewerk 30266]

It would most likely have to come the other side of prorogation though and after a VONC rather than what Johnson will be proposing tomorrow.