Gemmill 44848 Posted May 22, 2019 Share Posted May 22, 2019 17 minutes ago, NJS said: I still love the idea that if Corbyn had been full on remain, parliamentary numbers would have allowed him to not "enable brexit". There has never been nor ever will be a majority for a revocation, soft Brexit, second ref or any other "unicorn" ideas you come up with. But keep saying it's his fault. If he'd been vaguely competent, things would be different. He's second only to May in being a tin-eared incompetent arsehole. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NJS 4378 Posted May 22, 2019 Share Posted May 22, 2019 (edited) 8 minutes ago, Renton said: If Corbyn had been full on remain, there is every chance Remain would have won the referendum. If someone else was leader of the Labour Party, there is every chance the Conservatives would have been obliterated by now. If David Miliband had been leader of the Labour Party in 2015, it is highly unlikely Cameron would have won outright to deliver his referendum. Etc. Corbyn has been a disaster, you appear to be the only one left not to acknowledge this. I don't think David Miiband would have won in 2015. He had the Iraq/Blair legacy and the tories would have attacked his part in the crash (bollocks but would have played well). I'd add that if you think 1.6 million votes would have swung on a fuller remainer when the remain campaign as a whole was shite, you're dreaming. Edited May 22, 2019 by NJS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rayvin 5217 Posted May 22, 2019 Share Posted May 22, 2019 Richard Graham, a Tory, asks May if she agrees that a no-deal Brexit could lead to the break-up of the UK. May says she has serious concerns about this. ?!?! Where were those concerns 3 months ago when 'No Deal was better than a bad deal'??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Gloom 21915 Posted May 22, 2019 Share Posted May 22, 2019 that was always a bullshit bluff that no one believed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renton 21604 Posted May 22, 2019 Share Posted May 22, 2019 8 minutes ago, Rayvin said: Richard Graham, a Tory, asks May if she agrees that a no-deal Brexit could lead to the break-up of the UK. May says she has serious concerns about this. ?!?! Where were those concerns 3 months ago when 'No Deal was better than a bad deal'??? Didn't she claim eecently that she meant no deal as a metaphor or some such bollocks? But it leads back to my point earlier, why would Boris want the break up of the UK on his CV? It makes no sense for the supposed Conservative and Union party. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rayvin 5217 Posted May 22, 2019 Share Posted May 22, 2019 But it means May could untangle a lot of this just by fessing up to what we already know. That Brexit is just a fucking shit thing for the country, and the only way she could try to deliver it, was by threatening and lying to people. The Brexiteers might actually give her some kudos for that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NJS 4378 Posted May 22, 2019 Share Posted May 22, 2019 I read something about how Robert Peel as PM stopped the Corn laws being passed as he thought it was for the good of the country and that cast the tories out of power for about 20 odd years. Can't see that happening now. I can see this shit show going on as well as there could be swings between pro EU Labour/others (post-Corbyn) and anti-eu tories/others for years to come. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rayvin 5217 Posted May 22, 2019 Share Posted May 22, 2019 Seems like the Tories are concerned that if a second referendum goes through, Scotland gets another one. A counter to the 'break up of the UK' rhetoric? Or will the SNP try that on? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewerk 30595 Posted May 22, 2019 Share Posted May 22, 2019 Just now, Rayvin said: Seems like the Tories are concerned that if a second referendum goes through, Scotland gets another one. A counter to the 'break up of the UK' rhetoric? Or will the SNP try that on? There's a difference in having a second referendum when trying to change the status quo rather than maintaining it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaddockLad 17246 Posted May 22, 2019 Share Posted May 22, 2019 🤔 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewerk 30595 Posted May 22, 2019 Share Posted May 22, 2019 When the Saj says that time is up - time is up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rayvin 5217 Posted May 22, 2019 Share Posted May 22, 2019 I wonder what fresh hell awaits. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaddockLad 17246 Posted May 22, 2019 Share Posted May 22, 2019 (edited) It'll be a bit like getting your cards as PM from a deputy regional sales manager (east midlands) for a firm of sanitation engineers Edited May 22, 2019 by PaddockLad 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meenzer 15518 Posted May 22, 2019 Share Posted May 22, 2019 Imagine if she finally goes on the day of the Euro elections 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewerk 30595 Posted May 22, 2019 Share Posted May 22, 2019 (edited) She probably will do just so the media can’t discuss it. Edited May 22, 2019 by ewerk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewerk 30595 Posted May 22, 2019 Share Posted May 22, 2019 37 minutes ago, PaddockLad said: 🤔 She’s refusing to meet any ministers tonight. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rayvin 5217 Posted May 22, 2019 Share Posted May 22, 2019 Any chance of a grand middle finger gesture when she does go? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gemmill 44848 Posted May 22, 2019 Share Posted May 22, 2019 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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ewerk 30595 Posted May 22, 2019 Share Posted May 22, 2019 Of course it’s the Sun so when they say ‘surrounded’ there were actually only three people and when they say ‘trapped’ he did get off the bus. Not like them to let the truth get in the way of a headline. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renton 21604 Posted May 22, 2019 Share Posted May 22, 2019 Andrea Leadsom has resigned, the loathsome cunt. Is it just me, that although I can't stand May, I still prefer her to most of her potential replacements? That in itself is incredible. Fuck me, I prefer Thatcher to most of these thunder cunts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rayvin 5217 Posted May 22, 2019 Share Posted May 22, 2019 36 minutes ago, Renton said: Andrea Leadsom has resigned, the loathsome cunt. Is it just me, that although I can't stand May, I still prefer her to most of her potential replacements? That in itself is incredible. Fuck me, I prefer Thatcher to most of these thunder cunts. I'm also starting to feel that way. May now looks more like the last bastion of what passes for sanity in the Tory party. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gemmill 44848 Posted May 22, 2019 Share Posted May 22, 2019 http://www.politics.co.uk/comment-analysis/2019/05/22/the-remain-strategy-region-by-region-voting-guide Check your latest pick, Remoaners! @Meenzer yours is now Change UK apparently... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rayvin 5217 Posted May 22, 2019 Share Posted May 22, 2019 https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/may/22/uk-suffers-crushing-defeat-un-vote-chagos-islands Diminished on the world stage? You bet your ass we are. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheGingerQuiff 2412 Posted May 22, 2019 Share Posted May 22, 2019 24 minutes ago, Gemmill said: http://www.politics.co.uk/comment-analysis/2019/05/22/the-remain-strategy-region-by-region-voting-guide Check your latest pick, Remoaners! @Meenzer yours is now Change UK apparently... How much traction has this strategic voting got? I'll turn out and vote LIb Deb but can't help thinking it'll be a Brexit Party landslide here Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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