Europe --- In or Out

[Rayvin 5219]

2 minutes ago, Gemmill said:

Ian Dunt has written an article saying that the idea we need to hold the referendum by October is wrong. We just need to agree to hold one and set the ball in motion. That'll be enough. 

 

Aye but when I say quickly I mean it'll probably be the first thing on the table once May 22nd goes past without a deal being agreed. Once the Tories have to fight the EU elections, I think PV2 will be the only way forward to stop the damage to themselves - and that really is all they seem to care about.

[NJS 4378]

Well they aren't going to suspend parliamentary recess are they so that's a good 3 months wasted. 

[Rayvin 5219]

Might be for the best, it's not going anywhere in Parliament anyway.

[Gemmill 44853]

May is the fucking pits. Any normal person would be humiliated by last night's proceedings and would turn up today with some humility and a changed perspective on what's required to get this sorted. This cunt is just stood in Parliament still insisting that the best thing for everyone to do would be to agree her deal. 

 

She is the absolute dregs. 

[Rayvin 5219]

15 minutes ago, Gemmill said:

May is the fucking pits. Any normal person would be humiliated by last night's proceedings and would turn up today with some humility and a changed perspective on what's required to get this sorted. This cunt is just stood in Parliament still insisting that the best thing for everyone to do would be to agree her deal. 

 

She is the absolute dregs. 

 

Have to say mind, it's starting to cross into the realm of comedy for me

[Gemmill 44853]

Check out @tompeck’s Tweet:

 

 

Check out @tompeck’s Tweet:

 

 

 

 

[TheGingerQuiff 2412]

I fucking hate that look of faux amusement thing she does when somebody asks her a difficult question. Makes me want to kick her in the face

[RobinRobin 11263]

17 hours ago, Gemmill said:

I really fucking hope this happens. There's bound to be a video of him wanking in full camo on chat roulette that'll come to light. 

[Gemmill 44853]

Check out @ByDonkeys’s Tweet:

 

 

[ewerk 30598]

 

FOUR BILLION POUNDS LATER

[Gemmill 44853]

Check out @SteveBakerHW’s Tweet:

 

Brexit Hardman does not approve. 

[Rayvin 5219]

When you consider what that money could have been used for...

[TheGingerQuiff 2412]

2 minutes ago, Rayvin said:

When you consider what that money could have been used for...

 

Let's fund our NHS instead 

[Renton 21615]

4 minutes ago, Rayvin said:

When you consider what that money could have been used for...

 

Loose change compared to the 40 billion quid a year Brexit is already costing us. 

 

I was at a conference on medical technologies yesterday. The sector is in turmoil because we simply don't know what the future for device regulation is. I was due to go to another conference about this, the effect of Brexit on regulation. Its just been cancelled because nobody knows if we are going Brexit or not, or what type of Brexit it will be. I think it must be directly affecting about half of workers now. 

[Rayvin 5219]

34 minutes ago, Renton said:

 

Loose change compared to the 40 billion quid a year Brexit is already costing us. 

 

I was at a conference on medical technologies yesterday. The sector is in turmoil because we simply don't know what the future for device regulation is. I was due to go to another conference about this, the effect of Brexit on regulation. Its just been cancelled because nobody knows if we are going Brexit or not, or what type of Brexit it will be. I think it must be directly affecting about half of workers now. 

 

This is the thing that really is fucking nuts about this. This uncertainty is actually affecting my personal life to some degree, and I really don't have much call for it to do so. If it's affecting individual lives, it must be wreaking absolute havoc with business. How on earth are we supposed to prepare for anything? It's not even as if we can say that it will definitely be October since May might get the WA through at any given moment in time and at best we'll get a few days notice (while I do appreciate that there is a transition period attached, there will be some industries that immediately change based on just the outcome becoming clear).

 

This really isn't about the political parties anymore, it's way fucking bigger than them. If they can't sort this out, fine, but give it back to the people. Fuck off trying to hold the country to ransom just to get the perfect deal through for their parties.

[Renton 21615]

I'd say about 20% of my colleagues are EU nationals. I've never asked, but I'm sure this uncertainty is doing wonders for their mental health. I'm just so sick of this shit. Then CT wonders why I get wound up when he thinks it's all a laugh and BAU. Or worse, he does it deliberately. 

 

I do think the best thing we can do now is let our thoughts be known in the EP elections. It needs coordination though. Perhaps the 6 million petition shows this is possible. 

[Rayvin 5219]

2 minutes ago, Renton said:

I'd say about 20% of my colleagues are EU nationals. I've never asked, but I'm sure this uncertainty is doing wonders for their mental health. I'm just so sick of this shit. Then CT wonders why I get wound up when he thinks it's all a laugh and BAU. Or worse, he does it deliberately. 

 

I do think the best thing we can do now is let our thoughts be known in the EP elections. It needs coordination though. Perhaps the 6 million petition shows this is possible. 

 

It does need co-ordination, but the best vehicle to mobilise behind in theory is Labour and they remain totally clouded on their actual preference. I'm not voting for them again only to see a renewed narrative for "80% of people voting for Brexit backing parties". If Labour come out unequivocally for PV2, then they're the best bet for making the point. If they don't then Remainers need to abandon them entirely - the problem is rallying people around something else, and getting the message out widely enough.

[Meenzer 15524]

10 minutes ago, Rayvin said:

 

I'm not voting for them again only to see a renewed narrative for "80% of people voting for Brexit backing parties".

 

But they were a Brexit backing party and you voted for them.  

[Rayvin 5219]

1 minute ago, Meenzer said:

 

But they were a Brexit backing party and you voted for them.  

 

I stand by that vote actually, because it was clear as day that many Remain voters backed Labour because their position was actually pretty nebulous, and that suppressing a Tory majority was the only chance we stood of achieving anything. It's by virtue of the remainer rally to Labour that we're still in the game at all.

 

But what it wasn't, was an indication that 80% of people wanted Brexit.

[Renton 21615]

Yeah, I agree. Still got a bit of time left. Most important thing is everybody makes sure they are registered and get out and vote. Good thing is the pro-Brexit vote is split thanks to Farage (and Batten being a lunatic), and early polls show the tories are going to be hammered. 

[Renton 21615]

3 minutes ago, Meenzer said:

 

But they were a Brexit backing party and you voted for them.  

 

Ignoring the fact FPTP makes it effectively a 2 horse race and the election wasn't fought on a single issue. I voted against the tories, not for Labour. Naughty, Meenzer. 

[Meenzer 15524]

I know, I know. I'd probably have voted Labour too if there'd been any threat to them in my constituency.

[Rayvin 5219]

Should we be pleased about the Brexit Party getting going? It'll presumably divide the Brexiters in the local elections. Also, dare I say it, less extreme now than UKIP?

[Renton 21615]

6 minutes ago, Rayvin said:

Should we be pleased about the Brexit Party getting going? It'll presumably divide the Brexiters in the local elections. Also, dare I say it, less extreme now than UKIP?

Definitely. Brexit vote will be split between the cons, UKip and BP. Mind, the remain vote is in danger of being split between Labour (depending on their policies), LD, and tIG (should they stand). But I have also heard a lot of gammons say they will boycott the election. Get a high turnout and I am sure we can send a positive message to the EU. 

[Alex 35077]

2 hours ago, Renton said:

I'd say about 20% of my colleagues are EU nationals. I've never asked, but I'm sure this uncertainty is doing wonders for their mental health. I'm just so sick of this shit. Then CT wonders why I get wound up when he thinks it's all a laugh and BAU. Or worse, he does it deliberately. 

 

I do think the best thing we can do now is let our thoughts be known in the EP elections. It needs coordination though. Perhaps the 6 million petition shows this is possible. 

CT’s an unmitigated cunt. If you let him bother you he’s gained another little victory