Renton 21627 Posted February 18, 2019 Share Posted February 18, 2019 4 minutes ago, TheGingerQuiff said: I'd be surprised if Japanese companies shifting production back to Japan is limited to Britain though. Why? Japanese companies in the EU will still benefit from free and friction free trading. How much does it cost to insure and ship a car from Kobe? How long does it take, will it not add 6 weeks to a bespoke car? How much are japanese workers salaries? More than ours I bet. We were always going to be vulnerable here as none of our car companies are domestically owned. There is no reason for them to be here after we Brexit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renton 21627 Posted February 18, 2019 Share Posted February 18, 2019 1 minute ago, TheGingerQuiff said: We are still in the SM though, why wouldn't they wait for the outcome of Brexit before making a decision if that were truly the catalyst for this? The telling indicator is that they're shifting production back to Japan, leaving them with no eu presence at all if I'm not mistaken They dont have an EU presence to shut down. No, they're not building new factories in the EU, as that would be a massive capital cost not now worth it with the FTA. Nissan however is part owned by Renault is it not? It will not exist here in 10 years imo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheGingerQuiff 2412 Posted February 18, 2019 Share Posted February 18, 2019 3 minutes ago, Renton said: Why? Japanese companies in the EU will still benefit from free and friction free trading. How much does it cost to insure and ship a car from Kobe? How long does it take, will it not add 6 weeks to a bespoke car? How much are japanese workers salaries? More than ours I bet. We were always going to be vulnerable here as none of our car companies are domestically owned. There is no reason for them to be here after we Brexit. So why are they shifting production back to Japan instead of someone in eastern Europe? I imagine most of their suppliers are domestic and the logistics of shipping separate components overseas for assembly as well as shipping completed cars from the UK will be more expensive and less complex than just shipping their cars from Japan. It's certainly a more likely explanation than that they've done it because the UK might or might not be in the SM in a few weeks time Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renton 21627 Posted February 18, 2019 Share Posted February 18, 2019 1 minute ago, TheGingerQuiff said: So why are they shifting production back to Japan instead of someone in eastern Europe? I imagine most of their suppliers are domestic and the logistics of shipping separate components overseas for assembly as well as shipping completed cars from the UK will be more expensive and less complex than just shipping their cars from Japan. It's certainly a more likely explanation than that they've done it because the UK might or might not be in the SM in a few weeks time Because they already have the factories and supply chains set up in Japan, but not eastern Europe? I agree the FTA will be a disincentive for investment, but to think Brexit is not a massive factor is naive at best imo. Swindon like sunderland voted leave. These people are cerifiable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheGingerQuiff 2412 Posted February 18, 2019 Share Posted February 18, 2019 Just now, Renton said: Because they already have the factories and supply chains set up in Japan, but not eastern Europe? I agree the FTA will be a disincentive for investment, but to think Brexit is not a massive factor is naive at best imo. Swindon like sunderland voted leave. These people are cerifiable. I'm of the opinion that brexit won't happen so find it hard to believe that a business would factor it into this kind of decision. It's not like they're immediately ceasing production, so they could have quite easily kept their powder dry for a few months. How many big European companies are producing in Japan to avoid tariffs that will no longer exist? I don't know but if other companies follow suit then the eu may have dropped a bollock here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaddockLad 17274 Posted February 18, 2019 Share Posted February 18, 2019 12 minutes ago, Renton said: Because they already have the factories and supply chains set up in Japan, but not eastern Europe? I agree the FTA will be a disincentive for investment, but to think Brexit is not a massive factor is naive at best imo. Swindon like sunderland voted leave. These people are cerifiable. Stand by for Toyota in Derby. Derbyshire 59% leave Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewerk 30616 Posted February 18, 2019 Share Posted February 18, 2019 40 minutes ago, TheGingerQuiff said: We are still in the SM though, why wouldn't they wait for the outcome of Brexit before making a decision if that were truly the catalyst for this? The telling indicator is that they're shifting production back to Japan, leaving them with no eu presence at all if I'm not mistaken This decision wasn’t made yesterday. It was likely made six months ago. They don’t announce these decisions until they really have do i.e. when they need to begin investing in their new facilities as they don’t want to lose the staff they need to continue with their existing operations. I'm fairly sure that the decision to close the Nissan plant in Sunderland has already been made but they’ll wait until they’re closer to the end of the production of the current mode before announcing it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewerk 30616 Posted February 18, 2019 Share Posted February 18, 2019 3 minutes ago, PaddockLad said: Stand by for Toyota in Derby. Derbyshire 59% leave The same Toyota who recently announced a €300m investment in their factory in France? You can nearly guarantee it. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renton 21627 Posted February 18, 2019 Share Posted February 18, 2019 25 minutes ago, TheGingerQuiff said: I'm of the opinion that brexit won't happen so find it hard to believe that a business would factor it into this kind of decision. It's not like they're immediately ceasing production, so they could have quite easily kept their powder dry for a few months. How many big European companies are producing in Japan to avoid tariffs that will no longer exist? I don't know but if other companies follow suit then the eu may have dropped a bollock here. I doubt the EU have dropped a bollock. These FTAs work both ways, cars will be exported to japan, as well as plenty of agriculture. Not sure the EU 27 are as exposed to Japanese investment to the extent we are. Its looking shit for us though, which makes me wonder why the fuck we didnt veto it while we could. I guss the most we could do is delay it like. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaddockLad 17274 Posted February 18, 2019 Share Posted February 18, 2019 I've worked as a contractor at Honda Swindon. As with all new towns, it's full of the descendents of post war inner cities i.e. Bristol & London. Pig ignorant and possessing an unbelievable bullet proof self assurance and utterly false sense of where they sit in society. They're basically the cider mackems. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renton 21627 Posted February 18, 2019 Share Posted February 18, 2019 1 minute ago, PaddockLad said: I've worked as a contractor at Honda Swindon. As with all new towns, it's full of the descendents of post war inner cities i.e. Bristol & London. Pig ignorant and possessing an unbelievable bullet proof self assurance and utterly false sense of where they sit in society. They're basically the cider mackems. Sounds like some new terriying Dr Who monster. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renton 21627 Posted February 20, 2019 Share Posted February 20, 2019 Clearly Brexit related so here. Sarah Woolaston, Anna soubry and Heidi Allen relinquishing the tory whip and joking the independent group its rumoured. Has this thing got the legs to change parliament or will it fizzle out? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renton 21627 Posted February 20, 2019 Share Posted February 20, 2019 Also, Labour are trying to force the by elections of the naughty 8? Are they trying to give the tories a bigger majority? Idiots. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewerk 30616 Posted February 20, 2019 Share Posted February 20, 2019 Aye, I saw Farage coming out with the same line. Ignoring the fact that he himself was elected under the UKIP banner and subsequently left. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rayvin 5223 Posted February 20, 2019 Share Posted February 20, 2019 9 minutes ago, Renton said: Also, Labour are trying to force the by elections of the naughty 8? Are they trying to give the tories a bigger majority? Idiots. Yeah totally pointless move from Labour. They gain nothing from it really. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renton 21627 Posted February 20, 2019 Share Posted February 20, 2019 4 minutes ago, Rayvin said: Yeah totally pointless move from Labour. They gain nothing from it really. And someone has dragged up a historical tweet where Corbyn states you vote for an individual MP, not a party or PM. Yet more hypocrisy from him. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gemmill 44887 Posted February 20, 2019 Share Posted February 20, 2019 A tweet that looks like it was written by an 8 year old charver btw. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NJS 4386 Posted February 20, 2019 Share Posted February 20, 2019 As far as I can tell they're all massively safe labour seats - they won't call them because they know they'd lose. Their plan is supposedly to fight Labour/ tory marginals next time out - that's 8 more tory seats then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renton 21627 Posted February 20, 2019 Share Posted February 20, 2019 (edited) 8 minutes ago, NJS said: As far as I can tell they're all massively safe labour seats - they won't call them because they know they'd lose. Their plan is supposedly to fight Labour/ tory marginals next time out - that's 8 more tory seats then. They're not all massively safe at all, and it wouldn't take that many to support the independent to tip the balance to a third party. Ffs man. Labour has reinstated Hatton. Any chance of ever winning the marginals they needed for a majority is now gone. Edited February 20, 2019 by Renton Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meenzer 15531 Posted February 20, 2019 Share Posted February 20, 2019 Mr Corbyn says that different ministers are saying different things about leaving the EU without a deal. "People's jobs and livelihoods are in the prime minister's hands," he states, and he asks for no-deal to be "absolutely ruled out". "People's jobs and futures are in the hands of every member of this House," Mrs May replies. She says that Mr Corbyn clearly wants to remain in the European Union. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gemmill 44887 Posted February 21, 2019 Share Posted February 21, 2019 Check out @NinaDSchick’s Tweet: The English cow is horrific. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renton 21627 Posted February 21, 2019 Share Posted February 21, 2019 Meanwhile in Brexit land, looks like we are about to lose our AA credit rating. Somehow this will not be a bad thing, or maybe not related to Brexit I guess. BAMFU. https://uk.finance.yahoo.com/amphtml/news/fitch-may-cut-uks-aa-rating-brexit-uncertainty-222525103--business.html#referrer=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.google.com&_tf=From %1%24s Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renton 21627 Posted February 21, 2019 Share Posted February 21, 2019 Juncker now saying he's not optimistic a no deal can be avoided. Time for panic buying yet? Over we go! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaddockLad 17274 Posted February 21, 2019 Share Posted February 21, 2019 Looks like it's extend article 50 or no deal? 🤔 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renton 21627 Posted February 21, 2019 Share Posted February 21, 2019 6 minutes ago, PaddockLad said: Looks like it's extend article 50 or no deal? 🤔 That's been the case for a while now but there is a worrying number of indications May will choose the latter. I'm going to start buying plenty of pasta and rice, tins, sauces. I've got no storage space for fresh food or frozen food though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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