zerosum 234 Posted January 6, 2019 Share Posted January 6, 2019 there’s nobody worthy of a vote anymore in any party. I used to side with labour, but couldn’t get with milliband, so voted tory with cameron- seemed the lesser of two evils at that time. Bad mistake. I haven’t voted since in main election... the leaders now, I don’t trust corbyn, and who is coming after may quits? boris johnson, right o .. they’re all a bunch of wankers.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrew 4757 Posted January 6, 2019 Share Posted January 6, 2019 58 minutes ago, zerosum said: there’s nobody worthy of a vote anymore in any party. I used to side with labour, but couldn’t get with milliband, so voted tory with cameron- seemed the lesser of two evils at that time. Bad mistake. I haven’t voted since in main election... the leaders now, I don’t trust corbyn, and who is coming after may quits? boris johnson, right o .. they’re all a bunch of wankers.. Thats mental. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zerosum 234 Posted January 6, 2019 Share Posted January 6, 2019 (edited) Well not really considering Labour had just nearly bankrupt the country over previous two terms,(and yeh i voted for blair both times) then it was a toss up between who could fix it .. fucking milliband (urgh) or cameron. As said, lesser of two evils i thought . He’s still a twat. Edited January 6, 2019 by zerosum Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zerosum 234 Posted January 6, 2019 Share Posted January 6, 2019 (edited) the question is.. who is going to fix the country now. I know he’s a bell end, and I’m not endorsing his values.. but at this time we could do with someone who has the ruthless edge of donald trump, but with an actual working brain. I guess that’s a hard find. Edited January 6, 2019 by zerosum Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rayvin 5223 Posted January 6, 2019 Share Posted January 6, 2019 11 minutes ago, zerosum said: Well not really considering Labour had just nearly bankrupt the country over previous two terms,(and yeh i voted for blair both times) then it was a toss up between who could fix it .. fucking milliband (urgh) or cameron. As said, lesser of two evils i thought . He’s still a twat. I don't understand how this myth about Labour bankrupting the country continues to prevail. Have you actually looked into it? It was a global. economic. crash... Global. New Labour's reach must have been incredible. And the Tories have made it worse with austerity which was a proven failure, and which they've now attempted to abandon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rayvin 5223 Posted January 6, 2019 Share Posted January 6, 2019 8 minutes ago, zerosum said: the question is.. who is going to fix the country now. I know he’s a bell end, and I’m not endorsing his values.. but at this time we could do with someone who has the ruthless edge of donald trump, but with an actual working brain. I guess that’s a hard find. Don't think there's any heroes coming.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zerosum 234 Posted January 6, 2019 Share Posted January 6, 2019 1 minute ago, Rayvin said: Don't think there's any heroes coming.. i think you might be right Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zerosum 234 Posted January 6, 2019 Share Posted January 6, 2019 4 minutes ago, Rayvin said: I don't understand how this myth about Labour bankrupting the country continues to prevail. Have you actually looked into it? It was a global. economic. crash... Global. New Labour's reach must have been incredible. And the Tories have made it worse with austerity which was a proven failure, and which they've now attempted to abandon. the trigger was a global crash. The problem was we were up to our eyeballs in it (as a country) at the time of the crash.. but yeah.. unfortunately the knock on effects of decades of useless fuckwitts are still playing out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rayvin 5223 Posted January 6, 2019 Share Posted January 6, 2019 (edited) 5 minutes ago, zerosum said: the trigger was a global crash. The problem was we were up to our eyeballs in it (as a country) at the time of the crash.. but yeah.. unfortunately the knock on effects of decades of useless fuckwitts are still playing out. We weren't. We were at historically appropriate levels of debt, lower than Major's last government in fact: Edited January 6, 2019 by Rayvin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zerosum 234 Posted January 6, 2019 Share Posted January 6, 2019 oh well we should have been able to withstand the crash then- wonder what happened? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NJS 4386 Posted January 6, 2019 Share Posted January 6, 2019 13 minutes ago, zerosum said: oh well we should have been able to withstand the crash then- wonder what happened? We did withstand the crash and the economy was recovering. Then the tories got in and applied ideology to punish the poor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zerosum 234 Posted January 7, 2019 Share Posted January 7, 2019 3 minutes ago, NJS said: We did withstand the crash and the economy was recovering. Did we? I wonder what all the fuss was about then. We should of just carried on, business as usual. Crazy eh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rayvin 5223 Posted January 7, 2019 Share Posted January 7, 2019 (edited) @NJS I'm afraid that's exactly how I see it as well. They saw it as an opportunity to reduce the size of the state, so they went about doing it. And austerity cost us a quicker recovery. Not gonna say they were punishing the poor although that was the consequence. But they weren't concerned about them either. Edited January 7, 2019 by Rayvin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rayvin 5223 Posted January 7, 2019 Share Posted January 7, 2019 Just now, zerosum said: Did we? I wonder what all the fuss was about then. We should of just carried on, business as usual. Crazy eh. Depends what you mean by withstand I guess. But this affected most of the world, were they all overspending? Was everyone's debt too high? It was at the level it was because it was good for growth and social development. Then the Americans and bankers triggered a global collapse and everyone suffered. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rayvin 5223 Posted January 7, 2019 Share Posted January 7, 2019 24 minutes ago, zerosum said: oh well we should have been able to withstand the crash then- wonder what happened? Don't quite get the logic of this statement mind. Why should we have been able to withstand it? It's not like it was an ordinary event. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zerosum 234 Posted January 7, 2019 Share Posted January 7, 2019 8 minutes ago, Rayvin said: Don't quite get the logic of this statement mind. Why should we have been able to withstand it? It's not like it was an ordinary event. Dunno. You said we didn’t have abnormal levels of debt. Then if that was the case, and we were running our country prudently within our means, there shouldn’t have been much fall out, right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zerosum 234 Posted January 7, 2019 Share Posted January 7, 2019 (edited) Anyway. We’re going round in circles here. Fact is, like I said earlier.. the country is still trying to deal with decades of mismanagement by cretins. That goes back to Majors days.. They’re all useless. Edited January 7, 2019 by zerosum Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rayvin 5223 Posted January 7, 2019 Share Posted January 7, 2019 10 minutes ago, zerosum said: Dunno. You said we didn’t have abnormal levels of debt. Then if that was the case, and we were running our country prudently within our means, there shouldn’t have been much fall out, right? But that's like saying because we spend money on an army, we should be able to withstand any invasion. It's about balancing risk and reward. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rayvin 5223 Posted January 7, 2019 Share Posted January 7, 2019 12 minutes ago, zerosum said: Anyway. We’re going round in circles here. Fact is, like I said earlier.. the country is still trying to deal with decades of mismanagement by cretins. That goes back to Majors days.. They’re all useless. Broadly agree with this. Thatcher to start. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meenzer 15531 Posted January 7, 2019 Share Posted January 7, 2019 1 hour ago, zerosum said: Well not really considering Labour had just nearly bankrupt the country over previous two terms You're either thick or you've been hoodwinked or both. But I agree that a lot of the current shitshow stems from how those few years were (successfully) spun for those who were ready to believe it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zerosum 234 Posted January 7, 2019 Share Posted January 7, 2019 Well I’m glad that’s all cleared up then. Outcome. I’m thick, been lied to, mental, country was fine but mismanaged. And we all agree politicians are tossers. I’ll sleep well. Night all Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rayvin 5223 Posted January 7, 2019 Share Posted January 7, 2019 We all get lied to in the end. That's what makes politicians universally hated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christmas Tree 4725 Posted January 7, 2019 Author Share Posted January 7, 2019 6 hours ago, Rayvin said: We weren't. We were at historically appropriate levels of debt, lower than Major's last government in fact: Zero sum is correct. Labour took annual spending from around 400 billion a year to 800 billion a year which totally fucked the country as soon as benefits climbed due to unemployment and tax receipts dropped due to the crash. Suddenly we had hundreds of billions of commitments that we couldn’t afford which led to increased borrowing to cover those commitments. Card maxed to the full, plain and simple. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gemmill 44894 Posted January 7, 2019 Share Posted January 7, 2019 The kiss of death for any TT poster. The board's resident mong turning up to agree with them. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NJS 4386 Posted January 7, 2019 Share Posted January 7, 2019 Household budget/national economy allegories - thick as shit, plain and simple. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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