Europe --- In or Out

[ewerk 31228]

Aye, something along the lines of 'Leave or Remain' plus 'If the UK votes to leave do you want May's deal or no deal'.

[wykikitoon 20802]

We're basically fucked arent we?

[Rayvin 5311]

We might yet get out of this but it's going to be because of staggering incompetence now.

 

Mercifully, the UK political establishment has that in spades.

[Christmas Tree 4851]

[Renton 22009]

26 minutes ago, Christmas Tree said:

 

[ewerk 31228]

As should be obvious to anyone with half a brain that poll isn’t exactly straightforward.

http://www.deltapoll.co.uk/steve-fisher-condorcet

[Renton 22009]

CT will be loving QT. Gammon central with the pub land lord on it. Seriously BBC, what the fuck justification is there for this awful panel and audience? 

[Alex 35616]

QT has been an absolute joke for ages 

[Meenzer 15737]

Seeing remarkably little coverage of the lies - actual lies - May told yesterday about Brits in the EU retaining the rights we're taking away from EU citizens in the UK.

[Alex 35616]

This is the opposition needs to step up. And I’ll be fucking amazed if they do. 

[ewerk 31228]

As I posted in the Politics thread, they’re five points down. Corbyn looks like he doesn’t want to do anything unless there’s a GE coming up. At any other time he’s entirely useless.

[Alex 35616]

5 points behind May and the Tories at this point, man.  

[ewerk 31228]

Turns out we’ve been doing Brexit wrong all along.

 

[Rayvin 5311]

2 hours ago, Alex said:

5 points behind May and the Tories at this point, man.  

 

I'd say this is primarily because of Labour's fucking stupid Brexit stance. It's not going to win over anyone who actually voted Brexit because they can see that 90% of the party membership are pro remain.

 

And honestly, Labour are just talking absolute shite on Brexit anyway.

[Renton 22009]

37 minutes ago, Rayvin said:

 

I'd say this is primarily because of Labour's fucking stupid Brexit stance. It's not going to win over anyone who actually voted Brexit because they can see that 90% of the party membership are pro remain.

 

And honestly, Labour are just talking absolute shite on Brexit anyway.

Nothing to do with Corbyn being a tool then?

[Renton 22009]

2 hours ago, ewerk said:

Turns out we’ve been doing Brexit wrong all along.

 

 

Holy shit, this is a new level of idiocy which is scary. What's more scary is the CTs of this world actually lap this shit up. 

[Ayatollah Hermione 14069]

Corbyn's invisible man act is indefensible at this point tbh. The run-up to the last election showed that, when he pulls his finger out, he can mobilise large groups, especially young people, into voting and bringing about a manifesto that reaches out enough to connect with people. So what does he do? Retreats into hiding and settles for tiny victories on a load of TV and radio that nobody watches or listens to and watches his party slip back to where they were 2 years ago. If he only wants to lead at General Election time, what's the fucking point? Give it to Thornberry til end of t'season. 

[Rayvin 5311]

2 hours ago, Renton said:

Nothing to do with Corbyn being a tool then?

 

It depends what you mean by that tbh...

[Rayvin 5311]

2 hours ago, Ayatollah Hermione said:

Corbyn's invisible man act is indefensible at this point tbh. The run-up to the last election showed that, when he pulls his finger out, he can mobilise large groups, especially young people, into voting and bringing about a manifesto that reaches out enough to connect with people. So what does he do? Retreats into hiding and settles for tiny victories on a load of TV and radio that nobody watches or listens to and watches his party slip back to where they were 2 years ago. If he only wants to lead at General Election time, what's the fucking point? Give it to Thornberry til end of t'season. 

 

Aye he's a campaigner but if he starts now, people will develop a fatigue of interest. Not that i think he's going to come out for Remain, but he's probably biding his time for a GE.

[Ayatollah Hermione 14069]

11 hours ago, Rayvin said:

 

Aye he's a campaigner but if he starts now, people will develop a fatigue of interest. Not that i think he's going to come out for Remain, but he's probably biding his time for a GE.

 

I get what you're saying but his leadership has been shambolic. The opposition should be so far in front in the polls that the GE result is a formality. Instead, we're in a situation where the majority of people still think the Tories and their band of Eton robots are in a position to guide the country through Brexit. It's fucking nonsense, man. When Corbyn pulls his finger out, I think he's genuinely excellent at putting across his manifesto, he's a good debater and I truly believe he has the best interests of the country at heart. Unfortunately, he's a fucking thick cunt who thinks Brexit is a good idea so was over the moon when he could stick into the Anti-Semitism situation, the most London situation that 85% of the country couldn't care about (if we're honest) while he should have been assaulting the Tories over the public services, food banks etc. Basically, he picks his battles and as the clock ticks down on Brexit and it seems likely there won't be an election, he needs to step aside if we have any chance of a Labour government guiding us through the latest fuck up.

[Rayvin 5311]

42 minutes ago, Ayatollah Hermione said:

 

I get what you're saying but his leadership has been shambolic. The opposition should be so far in front in the polls that the GE result is a formality. Instead, we're in a situation where the majority of people still think the Tories and their band of Eton robots are in a position to guide the country through Brexit. It's fucking nonsense, man. When Corbyn pulls his finger out, I think he's genuinely excellent at putting across his manifesto, he's a good debater and I truly believe he has the best interests of the country at heart. Unfortunately, he's a fucking thick cunt who thinks Brexit is a good idea so was over the moon when he could stick into the Anti-Semitism situation, the most London situation that 85% of the country couldn't care about (if we're honest) while he should have been assaulting the Tories over the public services, food banks etc. Basically, he picks his battles and as the clock ticks down on Brexit and it seems likely there won't be an election, he needs to step aside if we have any chance of a Labour government guiding us through the latest fuck up.

 

Not blind to all that tbh, but at the same time, the polls had panned him prior to the previous GE. Now that may well have been a perfect storm, but that's not to say that Brexit itself, at fruition, may not be another one.

 

Having said that, whoever replaces him needs to be standing in more or less the same political position for this country to have any hope of actually improving.

[Andrew 4872]

1 hour ago, Rayvin said:

 

Not blind to all that tbh, but at the same time, the polls had panned him prior to the previous GE. Now that may well have been a perfect storm, but that's not to say that Brexit itself, at fruition, may not be another one.

 

Having said that, whoever replaces him needs to be standing in more or less the same political position for this country to have any hope of actually improving.

 

We've had this conversation before but whenever you mention something like that I feel like you perhaps need reminding that he didn't win, if it was a perfect storm then...well it lead to this

 

 

Not a labour government and not Jeremy Corbyn as pm

[ewerk 31228]

Aye, the bar was set so low for him in 2017 that it was seen as a victory for him that he avoided total annihilation. It’s not just the voting intention polls but he’s consistently behind Theresa May in who people want to be PM. She’s a walking fucking disaster and he still can’t land a glove on her.

[Rayvin 5311]

6 hours ago, Andrew said:

 

We've had this conversation before but whenever you mention something like that I feel like you perhaps need reminding that he didn't win, if it was a perfect storm then...well it lead to this

 

 

Not a labour government and not Jeremy Corbyn as pm

 

I dont mate. I know he didn't win. But after two years of being told on here that he would be obliterated im also very aware that you lot aren't fucking oracles

 

That and the fact that i was also told, repeatedly, that the Tories couldn't survive. And yet.

 

We're very much in unchartered waters and i do believe that if we got a GE in the madness of actually leaving, Labour would win it. I dont think we'll get one though. 

 

He was further behind in the polls last time and came to almost even with them. At the time, most people on here accepted that as a victory. Interesting how everyone's biases alter their views over time.

Edited December 2, 2018 by Rayvin

[Renton 22009]

34 minutes ago, Rayvin said:

 

I dont mate. I know he didn't win. But after two years of being told on here that he would be obliterated im also very aware that you lot aren't fucking oracles

 

That and the fact that i was also told, repeatedly, that the Tories couldn't survive. And yet.

 

We're very much in unchartered waters and i do believe that if we got a GE in the madness of actually leaving, Labour would win it. I dont think we'll get one though. 

 

He was further behind in the polls last time and came to almost even with them. At the time, most people on here accepted that as a victory. Interesting how everyone's biases alter their views over time.

 

You still don't get it. He should have won it, comfortably; he should be miles ahead in the opinion polls. This is the worst Tory government ever, without exception.

 

What I didn't predict last time was how inept May would be as a campaigner and what a shit manifesto she would serve up. And yet, he didn't win. Keep believing he would win a future GE all you like, he won't. Because at least 50% of the population can't abide him, including many Labour supporters.