wykikitoon 20129 Posted October 15, 2018 Share Posted October 15, 2018 http://www.constructionenquirer.com/2018/10/15/forecaster-call-off-2019-construction-rebound-as-orders-fall/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christmas Tree 4725 Posted October 15, 2018 Author Share Posted October 15, 2018 3 hours ago, ewerk said: And is she going to call the EU’s bluff too? No need, they’ve probably already got the wording ready to go. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christmas Tree 4725 Posted October 15, 2018 Author Share Posted October 15, 2018 3 hours ago, Renton said: She agreed to a backstop and all that implies. Not a time limited one either. I've been saying since the GE the Ireland situation is insoluble with the present parliamentary composition. I've been proved right and it is still the biggest obstacle to the WA. That's why I'm not as optimistic as Gloom. I just can't see any way past it. Listen, you said she’d agreed to a border down the Irish Sea. She hasn’t. As for your waffle about the fudge fudge in December, I suggest you re-read the 3 paragraphs on the backstop as she doesn’t agree to it there either. As for your last point, we haven’t had the vote yet so you haven’t been proved right on that either. I suggest a couple of paracetamol and an early night x Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex 35079 Posted October 15, 2018 Share Posted October 15, 2018 Fuck off, you fat little cunt 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wykikitoon 20129 Posted October 16, 2018 Share Posted October 16, 2018 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Gloom 21915 Posted October 16, 2018 Share Posted October 16, 2018 Bit harsh Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christmas Tree 4725 Posted October 16, 2018 Author Share Posted October 16, 2018 Alas, he should know by now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renton 21620 Posted October 16, 2018 Share Posted October 16, 2018 Ford warn that a Canada style deal will be disastrous for it. This the deal favoured by CT. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/amp/business-45860777 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christmas Tree 4725 Posted October 16, 2018 Author Share Posted October 16, 2018 20 minutes ago, Renton said: Ford warn that a Canada style deal will be disastrous for it. This the deal favoured by CT. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/amp/business-45860777 Well done for finding a link this time. He actually says in the link “a no deal Brexit would be disasterous”. Extra tarrifs would be their red line. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renton 21620 Posted October 16, 2018 Share Posted October 16, 2018 8 minutes ago, Christmas Tree said: Well done for finding a link this time. He actually says in the link “a no deal Brexit would be disasterous”. Extra tarrifs would be their red line. Quote Although a similar UK-Canada arrangement "would allow tariff-free trade, it would still involve border checks - and would upset the just-in-time delivery model used by the company in Europe", he said. Quote Mr Armstrong has made it clear he thinks a "Canada-style deal" with the EU will not cut the mustard either. This is a proposal favoured by many opponents of the prime minister's plans - a free trade deal modelled on the one the EU already has with Canada, with some extra benefits added on. The concern for Ford is that while such a deal might allow products to cross borders without tariffs being applied, it would still involve customs checks. That's not a major problem when you're sending cars and parts across the Atlantic - immediacy isn't necessary. But within Europe, manufacturers rely on "just-in-time" delivery, with fleets of lorries carrying parts from across the continent exactly when they are needed. Even minor delays at customs would upset this model. The industry wants "frictionless" trade, with no border checks at all You've got to learn to read past the headline tubs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christmas Tree 4725 Posted October 16, 2018 Author Share Posted October 16, 2018 16 minutes ago, Renton said: You've got to learn to read past the headline tubs. Your headlines you mean. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rayvin 5220 Posted October 16, 2018 Share Posted October 16, 2018 What if you're wrong CT? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex 35079 Posted October 16, 2018 Share Posted October 16, 2018 He doesn't care Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renton 21620 Posted October 16, 2018 Share Posted October 16, 2018 1 minute ago, Christmas Tree said: Your headlines you mean. Nice deflection. You've insisted that a CETA style deal is Okay for the British automobile industry, contrary to the claims of the CEOs of all of the affected companies, with the latest one being Ford. Have you learned what the single market is yet and why we need to be in it if we want to keep JiT supply chains operational? Oh, that's right, you think all the suppliers will set up shop here. How about you give a link to support that claim? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renton 21620 Posted October 16, 2018 Share Posted October 16, 2018 7 minutes ago, Rayvin said: What if you're wrong CT? Either he's wrong or every fucking expert in the industry is. Bear in mind, Canada is an extreme hard Brexit at the bottom of Barniers step diagram. At what stage did this even become remotely acceptable? It doesn't even include services. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex 35079 Posted October 16, 2018 Share Posted October 16, 2018 Come on, the service industry only accounts for about 80% of UK economic output (and jobs). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christmas Tree 4725 Posted October 16, 2018 Author Share Posted October 16, 2018 32 minutes ago, Rayvin said: What if you're wrong CT? Wrong about what? Brexit? Thats democracy. What if all those who want Corbyns Labour to replace the Conservatives are wrong? If Brexit went wrong it leads to lower GDP and some job losses, if Corbyn borrows Billions, Mis manages the finances and turns us into Venezuela we’re all queuing up for rotting meat to feed our kids. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christmas Tree 4725 Posted October 16, 2018 Author Share Posted October 16, 2018 (edited) 35 minutes ago, Renton said: Nice deflection. You've insisted that a CETA style deal is Okay for the British automobile industry, contrary to the claims of the CEOs of all of the affected companies, with the latest one being Ford. Have you learned what the single market is yet and why we need to be in it if we want to keep JiT supply chains operational? Oh, that's right, you think all the suppliers will set up shop here. How about you give a link to support that claim? And I’m deflecting!!! Why not just post as things are other than typing blatant lies (yesterday and today). Much easier way of discussing politics. Edited October 16, 2018 by Christmas Tree Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewerk 30602 Posted October 16, 2018 Share Posted October 16, 2018 1 minute ago, Christmas Tree said: Wrong about what? Brexit? Thats democracy. What if all those who want Corbyns Labour to replace the Conservatives are wrong? If Brexit went wrong it leads to lower GDP and some job losses, if Corbyn borrows Billions, Mis manages the finances and turns us into Venezuela we’re all queuing up for rotting meat to feed our kids. If they're wrong about Corbyn then they get to vote him out in five years time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christmas Tree 4725 Posted October 16, 2018 Author Share Posted October 16, 2018 30 minutes ago, Renton said: Either he's wrong or every fucking expert in the industry is. Bear in mind, Canada is an extreme hard Brexit at the bottom of Barniers step diagram. At what stage did this even become remotely acceptable? It doesn't even include services. But our trade with the EU is shrinking and 95% of future growth will be outside the EU. Why on Earth tie ourselves to a sinking ship. (Especially when the financial crisis of Greece and Italy is about to cause even more problems). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex 35079 Posted October 16, 2018 Share Posted October 16, 2018 Love the notion that having to adhere to the result of a plebiscite forever is democratic. Even better when the example to support that is a general election, which takes place roughly every four years. CT at his unwitting best Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christmas Tree 4725 Posted October 16, 2018 Author Share Posted October 16, 2018 5 minutes ago, ewerk said: If they're wrong about Corbyn then they get to vote him out in five years time. Hows changing the government going in Venezuela? If Brexit is the disaster Renton fears then we could rejoin the EU. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewerk 30602 Posted October 16, 2018 Share Posted October 16, 2018 1 minute ago, Christmas Tree said: Hows changing the government going in Venezuela? If Brexit is the disaster Renton fears then we could rejoin the EU. We're not Venezuela, we never will be. You know that very well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewerk 30602 Posted October 16, 2018 Share Posted October 16, 2018 5 minutes ago, Christmas Tree said: But our trade with the EU is shrinking and 95% of future growth will be outside the EU. Why on Earth tie ourselves to a sinking ship. (Especially when the financial crisis of Greece and Italy is about to cause even more problems). So what you're saying is that we're already trading very successfully with non-EU countries while being part of the EU? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meenzer 15525 Posted October 16, 2018 Share Posted October 16, 2018 13 minutes ago, Christmas Tree said: What if all those who want Corbyns Labour to replace the Conservatives are wrong? That's what Rayvin asked, yes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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