Alex 34839 Posted October 3, 2018 Share Posted October 3, 2018 Just now, Dr Gloom said: So you voted for the party you think went to far too the left? Strange that Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rayvin 5176 Posted October 3, 2018 Share Posted October 3, 2018 33 minutes ago, Christmas Tree said: The economy? That’s what they said about Thatcher in the 80’s.... 18 years they remained in government. Coincidentally the last time Labour went too far left. Their wallets. And I'm confused about that last point. I'm not saying the Tories can't stay in government, I'm just saying that May's successor, if it is a Tory government, is going to end up dealing with all kinds of public anger about the fallout from Brexit. Whether it unseats them or not doesn't change the fact that, like May, they'll be a lightning rod for it. Besides, while the public is clearly just as moronic as they were in the 80s, they're not quite as placid now in terms of voicing opinions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christmas Tree 4687 Posted October 3, 2018 Author Share Posted October 3, 2018 9 minutes ago, Rayvin said: Their wallets. And I'm confused about that last point. I'm not saying the Tories can't stay in government, I'm just saying that May's successor, if it is a Tory government, is going to end up dealing with all kinds of public anger about the fallout from Brexit. Whether it unseats them or not doesn't change the fact that, like May, they'll be a lightning rod for it. Besides, while the public is clearly just as moronic as they were in the 80s, they're not quite as placid now in terms of voicing opinions. Naturally you are discounting the scenario of a deal being struck which will lead to a boost to the economy and business in general, the Brexit discourse dropping off the news cycle and a new Tory leader having over 3 years to concentrate on good old domestic policy to build on the extra 3 million jobs, the billions extra for the NHS and the record levels of house building. Doubtful the electorate will want to gamble all that in 2022 on an bearded old man peddling a socialist Eutopia. Depending who replaces Corbyn, 2027 is the likely timing of a Labour Government. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meenzer 15401 Posted October 3, 2018 Share Posted October 3, 2018 1 minute ago, Christmas Tree said: Naturally you are discounting the scenario of a deal being struck which will lead to a boost to the economy and business in general, the Brexit discourse dropping off the news cycle and a new Tory leader having over 3 years to concentrate on good old domestic policy to build on the extra 3 million jobs, the billions extra for the NHS and the record levels of house building. Can't think why 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Gloom 21812 Posted October 3, 2018 Share Posted October 3, 2018 4 minutes ago, Christmas Tree said: Naturally you are discounting the scenario of a deal being struck which will lead to a boost to the economy and business in general, the Brexit discourse dropping off the news cycle and a new Tory leader having over 3 years to concentrate on good old domestic policy to build on the extra 3 million jobs, the billions extra for the NHS and the record levels of house building. Doubtful the electorate will want to gamble all that in 2022 on an bearded old man peddling a socialist Eutopia. Depending who replaces Corbyn, 2027 is the likely timing of a Labour Government. why not? you did Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex 34839 Posted October 3, 2018 Share Posted October 3, 2018 2 minutes ago, Meenzer said: Can't think why Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rayvin 5176 Posted October 3, 2018 Share Posted October 3, 2018 2 minutes ago, Christmas Tree said: Naturally you are discounting the scenario of a deal being struck which will lead to a boost to the economy and business in general, the Brexit discourse dropping off the news cycle and a new Tory leader having over 3 years to concentrate on good old domestic policy to build on the extra 3 million jobs, the billions extra for the NHS and the record levels of house building. Doubtful the electorate will want to gamble all that in 2022 on an bearded old man peddling a socialist Eutopia. Depending who replaces Corbyn, 2027 is the likely timing of a Labour Government. I was only saying to the Fish that the Tories are probably preparing for a No Deal scenario in earnest. I don't know why you've come wading into this as if I'm making some general point about what's going to happen unless you're somehow arguing that they aren't preparing for No Deal? If that's what you're doing, I'm not getting it. That said, yes, I am discounting the notion that we will strike a deal. But that's not really what I was talking about. Having said that, the level of... I mean, boundless, unfounded optimism in your post.. it's a thing to behold CT, it really is. And people think I'm a wishful thinker... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex 34839 Posted October 3, 2018 Share Posted October 3, 2018 His bold predictions always turn out to be right though. Whether that's in the sphere of politics or sport. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Fish 10728 Posted October 3, 2018 Share Posted October 3, 2018 14 minutes ago, Meenzer said: Can't think why Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meenzer 15401 Posted October 3, 2018 Share Posted October 3, 2018 https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/amp/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-45727317 Another small illustration of the lunacy of playing chicken with the EU over a deal. These things will just keep piling up as things drag on. Companies and organisations understandably have little confidence in the assurances they're being given. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renton 21295 Posted October 3, 2018 Share Posted October 3, 2018 23 minutes ago, Meenzer said: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/amp/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-45727317 Another small illustration of the lunacy of playing chicken with the EU over a deal. These things will just keep piling up as things drag on. Companies and organisations understandably have little confidence in the assurances they're being given. Brexit is a wrecking ball to pharmaceutical research in this country. I remember a debate before the referendum where a pharmaceutical employee was telling Farage we'd lose the EMA. Farage was having none of it, spouting it was project fear. Less than a year later, it's gone. People will die as a direct result of Brexit now no matter what deal we strike. The cancellation of that trial is just one example. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewerk 30262 Posted October 3, 2018 Share Posted October 3, 2018 Every one of them martyrs to the cause. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewerk 30262 Posted October 3, 2018 Share Posted October 3, 2018 The DUP have been at conference doubling down on the no Irish sea border line. In fact they said it’s a ‘blood red line’ which is a nice term to use for a party from NI. So no backstop = no deal. Is there any way she can keep the government going without their support? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Gloom 21812 Posted October 3, 2018 Share Posted October 3, 2018 3 hours ago, Alex said: His bold predictions always turn out to be right though. Whether that's in the sphere of politics or sport. So this is going to be the week when Mike Ashley can rightly say he is getting the hang of this football lark. European ties against the likes of Benfica in April A transfer / wage system that works A squad that just keeps getting better Great season ticket deals for fans And a profit making football club And all this before the the big bucks TV money rolls in. Of course it hasn't been delivered without pain, but few revolutions are smooth. We will rightly hear all sorts of praise for dynamic duo this week and once again our club will be heralded as the blue print for most clubs to follow. So where now? What about the next few years? How can we as a club take advantage of this solid foundation and become a regular top four challenger? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monkeys Fist 42060 Posted October 3, 2018 Share Posted October 3, 2018 I predict that once the full fucking horror show of of Brexit is played out and decimating the country, our erstwhile taxi-driving chum will, once again, be found shitting his trousers in the car park at Boldon Dogs, as the terrible reality of it all causes his arse to fail it’s MOT. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renton 21295 Posted October 3, 2018 Share Posted October 3, 2018 No deal is looking odds on certainty now. There is no deal that will command a parliamentary majority. There is no prospect of an NI backstop because of the DUP. The EU can not shift their red lines. May won't shift hers and really politically can't anyway. There's no way out, it's happening folks. I dont even think the tories are capable of negotiating an amicable no deal, listening to the toxic rhetoric constantly coming from May, let alone Johnson and the ERG crowd. And *unt offending all the former eastern bloc EU countries. It does look now to me that the tory plan actually is no deal and to shift the blame onto EU "bullying" and "intransigence". Is Joe public stupid enough to fall for it? The tories are banking on it. Its what we voted for after all, apparently. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewerk 30262 Posted October 3, 2018 Share Posted October 3, 2018 2 minutes ago, Renton said: No deal is looking odds on certainty now. There is no deal that will command a parliamentary majority. There is no prospect of an NI backstop because of the DUP. The EU can not shift their red lines. May won't shift hers and really politically can't anyway. There's no way out, it's happening folks. I dont even think the tories are capable of negotiating an amicable no deal, listening to the toxic rhetoric constantly coming from May, let alone Johnson and the ERG crowd. And *unt offending all the former eastern bloc EU countries. It does look now to me that the tory plan actually is no deal and to shift the blame onto EU "bullying" and "intransigence". Is Joe public stupid enough to fall for it? The tories are banking on it. Its what we voted for after all, apparently. It’s often said that parliament won’t accept no deal. But what is the parliamentary procedure to reject it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renton 21295 Posted October 3, 2018 Share Posted October 3, 2018 1 minute ago, ewerk said: It’s often said that parliament won’t accept no deal. But what is the parliamentary procedure to reject it? We'll find out in January I guess. By this stage i expect we'll descend into utter chaos as the reality of no deal sinks in and businesses cut their losses and leave. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobinRobin 11122 Posted October 4, 2018 Share Posted October 4, 2018 All I can say is that I am glad I moved to Australia for all its problems Seriously, though, the idea that is being pushed by Johnson, Farrage etc that Europe and the world will come begging to do business with the UK is frankly laughable. Even Trump, with all the power of the US behind him (hopefully with knives), is not finding it plain sailing. The UK is way down the pecking order, on that basis. There is going to be some serious blood-letting (hopefully only metaphorically) when this all eventuates. As I see if from afar, May is merely in position, because no one else wanted to take the flack which she is getting for the Brexit debacle. She only wanted it, because it was her only chance, ever, to be PM, whatever the consequences. And seriously - Dancing Queen???? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renton 21295 Posted October 4, 2018 Share Posted October 4, 2018 Oh dear. 8000 jobs at risk at Nissan and triple this when considering suppliers and ancillary jobs. https://www.theguardian.com/business/2018/oct/04/nissan-becomes-latest-manufacturer-to-warn-against-hard-brexit It's like the 80s again, only worse. You know I expect CT's button mushroom is getting turgid at the thought of another Tory inspired recession in the NE. What an odd man. What a cunt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewerk 30262 Posted October 4, 2018 Share Posted October 4, 2018 Nissan closing is his red line. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sonatine 11307 Posted October 7, 2018 Share Posted October 7, 2018 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rayvin 5176 Posted October 7, 2018 Share Posted October 7, 2018 "Some of us remember what the country was like before the EU destroyed it" These people need to be forcibly educated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monkeys Fist 42060 Posted October 7, 2018 Share Posted October 7, 2018 21 minutes ago, Rayvin said: "Some of us remember what the country was like before the EU destroyed it" These people need to be forcibly euthanised. FYP Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rayvin 5176 Posted October 7, 2018 Share Posted October 7, 2018 That flashed through my mind, but I'm not quite savage enough to say it Thanks for giving voice to my inner demons. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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