ewerk 30256 Posted July 18, 2018 Share Posted July 18, 2018 1 minute ago, Christmas Tree said: Because it would have brought all these arguments to a head a year earlier rather than pretending they were sorted with fudged words. Who has been fudging their words? It's the British government that has been unable to agree a position, that's their fault, not the EU's. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christmas Tree 4685 Posted July 18, 2018 Author Share Posted July 18, 2018 10 minutes ago, Renton said: Why not? It's always been made clear the divorce has to be made before the future relationship can be decided. Do you think we had some leverage? And before you say the 40 billion (which we owe), put that in context. The EU can cover tgat in QE in 1 month. And DExEU itself predicts we will lose FOUR times more than that every single year following Brexit. There never was any leverage. You've been had by Mogg et al. Because we are now in July and only just beginning to negotiate the future trade deal with them. It would have been much better if we’d had these discussions last year leaving a lot more time decisions to be taken, elections to be run or referendums to take place. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christmas Tree 4685 Posted July 18, 2018 Author Share Posted July 18, 2018 3 minutes ago, ewerk said: Who has been fudging their words? It's the British government that has been unable to agree a position, that's their fault, not the EU's. The Irish issue has been fudged by both sides for a year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christmas Tree 4685 Posted July 18, 2018 Author Share Posted July 18, 2018 Anyway, Boris’s resignation speech today following PMQ’s will no doubt be interesting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewerk 30256 Posted July 18, 2018 Share Posted July 18, 2018 4 minutes ago, Christmas Tree said: The Irish issue has been fudged by both sides for a year. No. There was a backstop agreed last year. It is the UK who has failed and is still failing to detail how it would work in operation. The problem is that the Tories have been an absolute mess throughout the entire process. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renton 21286 Posted July 18, 2018 Share Posted July 18, 2018 21 minutes ago, Christmas Tree said: Because we are now in July and only just beginning to negotiate the future trade deal with them. It would have been much better if we’d had these discussions last year leaving a lot more time decisions to be taken, elections to be run or referendums to take place. Maybe it would have been better to decide these things before triggering A50? Literally everything tgat has happened, from the decision to hold the referendum onwards, has been 100% the fault of the Tory party. And yet you blame Labour, the EU, and remainers, as it was predicted on day one you would.You're a joke of a man. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex 34831 Posted July 18, 2018 Share Posted July 18, 2018 25 minutes ago, Christmas Tree said: Anyway, Boris’s resignation speech today following PMQ’s will no doubt be interesting. Yeah, him taking the piss out of the people he's meant to represent then you metaphorically rimming him. Can't wait Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christmas Tree 4685 Posted July 18, 2018 Author Share Posted July 18, 2018 12 minutes ago, Renton said: Maybe it would have been better to decide these things before triggering A50? Literally everything tgat has happened, from the decision to hold the referendum onwards, has been 100% the fault of the Tory party. And yet you blame Labour, the EU, and remainers, as it was predicted on day one you would.You're a joke of a man. Corbyn wanted to trigger Article 50 immediately. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renton 21286 Posted July 18, 2018 Share Posted July 18, 2018 3 minutes ago, Christmas Tree said: Corbyn wanted to trigger Article 50 immediately. So why wasn't it triggered immediately? Oh yes, that's right, because Labour aren't in power you utter imbecile. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christmas Tree 4685 Posted July 18, 2018 Author Share Posted July 18, 2018 Just now, Renton said: So why wasn't it triggered immediately? Oh yes, that's right, because Labour aren't in power you utter imbecile. Both parties voted for a refferendum . Both parties voted to trigger article 50 Both parties stood at the last election promising to leave the EU, the single market and the customs union. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewerk 30256 Posted July 18, 2018 Share Posted July 18, 2018 2 minutes ago, Christmas Tree said: Both parties voted for a refferendum . Both parties voted to trigger article 50 Both parties stood at the last election promising to leave the EU, the single market and the customs union. So what have Labour done to frustrate that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Gloom 21812 Posted July 18, 2018 Share Posted July 18, 2018 (edited) Jug ears has a point for once. Politics is fucked, politicians on both sides of the house are in disarray. all thanks to David Cameron Edited July 18, 2018 by Dr Gloom Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renton 21286 Posted July 18, 2018 Share Posted July 18, 2018 2 minutes ago, Christmas Tree said: Both parties voted for a refferendum . Both parties voted to trigger article 50 Both parties stood at the last election promising to leave the EU, the single market and the customs union. So let me get this straight. It's Labour"s fault for voting to let the conservatives trigger A50 (even though they couldn't have blocked it)? By implication, you agree that Brexit is now a bad idea? Fucking hell, glad that's sorted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christmas Tree 4685 Posted July 18, 2018 Author Share Posted July 18, 2018 6 minutes ago, Renton said: So let me get this straight. It's Labour"s fault for voting to let the conservatives trigger A50 (even though they couldn't have blocked it)? By implication, you agree that Brexit is now a bad idea? Fucking hell, glad that's sorted. Not at all Its very simple, if Labour had stood up to their voted position and worked with the government then we would be in a much stronger position both at Westminster and in Europe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex 34831 Posted July 18, 2018 Share Posted July 18, 2018 Lies without evidence tbh Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Gloom 21812 Posted July 18, 2018 Share Posted July 18, 2018 4 minutes ago, Christmas Tree said: I'm very simple fyp Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewerk 30256 Posted July 18, 2018 Share Posted July 18, 2018 6 minutes ago, Christmas Tree said: Not at all Its very simple, if Labour had stood up to their voted position and worked with the government then we would be in a much stronger position both at Westminster and in Europe. I'll ask it again. What have Labour done to frustrate the leaving of the EU? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rayvin 5176 Posted July 18, 2018 Share Posted July 18, 2018 (edited) Sinn Fein seem to be coming under fire in Ireland for not attending Parliament and voting against the amendments. I guess that would have done it as well, on at least some of the issues. Annoying. Edited July 18, 2018 by Rayvin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renton 21286 Posted July 18, 2018 Share Posted July 18, 2018 (edited) 7 minutes ago, Christmas Tree said: Not at all Its very simple, if Labour had stood up to their voted position and worked with the government then we would be in a much stronger position both at Westminster and in Europe. The conservatives are in government, not Labour. May never offered a cross-party consensus to Brexit, did they? And in fact, Labour have been completely useless in opposing any of the government's Brexit approach, haven't they? And additionally, it is actually the ERG that have succeeded in implementing their wrecking ball amendment which now doom us to no deal, isn't it? Now fuck off with the wummery you thick lard arsed turbocunt. Edited July 18, 2018 by Renton Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewerk 30256 Posted July 18, 2018 Share Posted July 18, 2018 Just now, Rayvin said: Sinn Fein seem to be coming under fire in Ireland for not attending Parliament and voting against the amendments. I guess that would have done it as well, on at least some of the issues. Annoying. News to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renton 21286 Posted July 18, 2018 Share Posted July 18, 2018 6 minutes ago, ewerk said: News to me. It's in the Guardian feed. The Republic are now fully preparing for no deal as they have rightly concluded Westminster is broken and there is fuck all they or the EU can do about it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewerk 30256 Posted July 18, 2018 Share Posted July 18, 2018 Yeah, I know that. I haven't heard a great deal of criticism of Sinn Fein though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christmas Tree 4685 Posted July 18, 2018 Author Share Posted July 18, 2018 21 minutes ago, ewerk said: I'll ask it again. What have Labour done to frustrate the leaving of the EU? Voted against every bit of Brexit legislation, come up with their own vague impossible shifting position and concentrated on trying to obstruct the whole process. This issue is is bigger than party politics, particularly given main votes and manifestos. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christmas Tree 4685 Posted July 18, 2018 Author Share Posted July 18, 2018 26 minutes ago, Renton said: The conservatives are in government, not Labour. May never offered a cross-party consensus to Brexit, did they? And in fact, Labour have been completely useless in opposing any of the government's Brexit approach, haven't they? And additionally, it is actually the ERG that have succeeded in implementing their wrecking ball amendment which now doom us to no deal, isn't it? Now fuck off with the wummery you thick lard arsed turbocunt. return of the screaming fanny. Go and have a lye down. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renton 21286 Posted July 18, 2018 Share Posted July 18, 2018 3 minutes ago, Christmas Tree said: Voted against every bit of Brexit legislation, come up with their own vague impossible shifting position and concentrated on trying to obstruct the whole process. This issue is is bigger than party politics, particularly given main votes and manifestos. They haven't had any impact on Brexit at all. The issue is above party politics you say? I fully agree. 8n which case, why hasn't May facilitated cross party consensus? And much more to the point, why is the conservative party ripping itself apart internally? Labour are an irrelevance and I despise Corbyn as much as May. Your whataboutery is not a defence of the conservatives however. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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