Kevin Carr's Gloves 4359 Posted March 26, 2018 Share Posted March 26, 2018 (edited) On 26/03/2018 at 10:44, Alex said: What's the story there? Expand Richard the first chose him. Edit sorry that is bollocks it was Edward III sorry. Second Edit. Richard chose St George as his personal protector saint (didn't know you could do that) Edward III made him official patron saint of England. Edited March 26, 2018 by Kevin Carr's Gloves 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex 37707 Posted March 26, 2018 Share Posted March 26, 2018 On 26/03/2018 at 10:49, Kevin Carr's Gloves said: Richard the first chose him. Expand I didn't know that. I knew his coat of arms is the origin of the 3 lions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christmas Tree 5331 Posted March 26, 2018 Author Share Posted March 26, 2018 On 26/03/2018 at 10:09, Alex said: The 'British passport must be made in England' mentality pretty much sums it up Expand That was Keir Starmer, arch remainers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex 37707 Posted March 26, 2018 Share Posted March 26, 2018 On 26/03/2018 at 11:02, Christmas Tree said: That was Keir Starmer, arch remainers. Expand As though he's the only person with that stance Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex 37707 Posted March 26, 2018 Share Posted March 26, 2018 On 26/03/2018 at 10:49, Kevin Carr's Gloves said: Richard the first chose him. Edit sorry that is bollocks it was Edward III sorry. Second Edit. Richard chose St George as his personal protector saint (didn't know you could do that) Edward III made him official patron saint of England. Expand If you're the King you can do what you want. Ask Alan Pardew Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christmas Tree 5331 Posted March 26, 2018 Author Share Posted March 26, 2018 On 26/03/2018 at 10:06, ewerk said: It speaks volumes that the Brexiters are determined to see Brexit through come what may. Economic hardship? Break up of the Union? All prices worth paying for 'freedom'. It's staggering how idiotic some of the electorate are. Expand But that’s a similar attitude to what caused Brexit in the first place. A lot of mechanics, plumbers etc don’t consider their std of living is really going to change in the foreseeable future or think bombings are going to start happening because a few cameras may need to go up to monitor the odd truck on the Irish border. The same in a way as many couldn’t care less if Scotland fucked off or not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewerk 34142 Posted March 26, 2018 Share Posted March 26, 2018 So you get my point that a lot of people are idiots? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christmas Tree 5331 Posted March 26, 2018 Author Share Posted March 26, 2018 On 26/03/2018 at 11:15, ewerk said: So you get my point that a lot of people are idiots? Expand No Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex 37707 Posted March 26, 2018 Share Posted March 26, 2018 Making his point for him Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kevin Carr's Gloves 4359 Posted March 26, 2018 Share Posted March 26, 2018 On 26/03/2018 at 11:07, Christmas Tree said: But that’s a similar attitude to what caused Brexit in the first place. A lot of mechanics, plumbers etc don’t consider their std of living is really going to change in the foreseeable future or think bombings are going to start happening because a few cameras may need to go up to monitor the odd truck on the Irish border. The same in a way as many couldn’t care less if Scotland fucked off or not. Expand You are soooo fucking thick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renton 24425 Posted March 26, 2018 Share Posted March 26, 2018 On 26/03/2018 at 11:07, Christmas Tree said: But that’s a similar attitude to what caused Brexit in the first place. A lot of mechanics, plumbers etc don’t consider their std of living is really going to change in the foreseeable future or think bombings are going to start happening because a few cameras may need to go up to monitor the odd truck on the Irish border. The same in a way as many couldn’t care less if Scotland fucked off or not. Expand That wasn't the question though. The point was, the majority of people in this country would prefer for the UK to break up rather than stay in the EU. I'm quite shocked by that personally, but then again 39% of Brexiters would prefer to lose their jobs than stay in the EU. And you don't think these people are idiots? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewerk 34142 Posted March 26, 2018 Share Posted March 26, 2018 On 26/03/2018 at 11:20, Christmas Tree said: No Expand But for the vast majority of people their standard of living isn’t going to improve because of Brexit. Just as infrastructure on the border will lead to a return of violence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renton 24425 Posted March 26, 2018 Share Posted March 26, 2018 So CT, would you rather the UK broke up or we stayed in the EU? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christmas Tree 5331 Posted March 26, 2018 Author Share Posted March 26, 2018 On 26/03/2018 at 11:36, ewerk said: But for the vast majority of people their standard of living isn’t going to improve because of Brexit. Just as infrastructure on the border will lead to a return of violence. Expand Sorry, I just felt like saying no because you’d been looking for a bit of political debate over the weekend and no one was playing out. I think most working class brexiteers really don’t believe in or out is going to make much difference to them. As for the border, why would a few traffic cameras lead to violence? I honestly don’t appreciate why your peers are going to take up arms because a few customs cameras are there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christmas Tree 5331 Posted March 26, 2018 Author Share Posted March 26, 2018 On 26/03/2018 at 11:59, Renton said: So CT, would you rather the UK broke up or we stayed in the EU? Expand Ideal if it broke up then I could brag I’ve been abroad when I go camping in Scotland Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex 37707 Posted March 26, 2018 Share Posted March 26, 2018 You spend most of your life camping Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewerk 34142 Posted March 26, 2018 Share Posted March 26, 2018 On 26/03/2018 at 14:42, Christmas Tree said: As for the border, why would a few traffic cameras lead to violence? I honestly don’t appreciate why your peers are going to take up arms because a few customs cameras are there. Expand Peers? You really don’t understand the Irish situation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christmas Tree 5331 Posted March 26, 2018 Author Share Posted March 26, 2018 On 26/03/2018 at 14:52, Alex said: You spend most of your life camping Expand Ooh you are awful, but I like you. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christmas Tree 5331 Posted March 26, 2018 Author Share Posted March 26, 2018 On 26/03/2018 at 14:56, ewerk said: Peers? You really don’t understand the Irish situation. Expand By peers I mean your generation. And I’ve ask you a few times to explain why a few cameras would lead to the troubles restarting but you always avoid answering. Im very happy for you to explain so I’ll get it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheGingerQuiff 2412 Posted March 26, 2018 Share Posted March 26, 2018 On 26/03/2018 at 15:02, Christmas Tree said: By peers I mean your generation. And I’ve ask you a few times to explain why a few cameras would lead to the troubles restarting but you always avoid answering. Im very happy for you to explain so I’ll get it. Expand What tablet you riddled mong Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex 37707 Posted March 26, 2018 Share Posted March 26, 2018 On 26/03/2018 at 14:58, Christmas Tree said: Ooh you are awful, but I like you. Expand I used to love watching Dick Emery (then again I was about 5 at the time). I'm guessing it hasn't aged well as I never seem to the shows repeated anywhere. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewerk 34142 Posted March 26, 2018 Share Posted March 26, 2018 On 26/03/2018 at 15:02, Christmas Tree said: By peers I mean your generation. And I’ve ask you a few times to explain why a few cameras would lead to the troubles restarting but you always avoid answering. Im very happy for you to explain so I’ll get it. Expand It’s the symbolism of a border between the north of Ireland and the south. At the moment the border is invisible, travel is entirely free flowing. If you start installing CCTV at 200 points along the border it is moving us away from the feel of one country. The cameras wouldn’t be up 24 hours before many of them would be torn down. This would happen over and over until they’d become more fortified with a possible human presence to protect them. This again escalates the conflict whereby the people protecting them are warned that their life is at risk by doing so. And that’s without mentioning that a system of CCTV alone is entirely unworkable as a customs solution. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meenzer 16787 Posted March 26, 2018 Share Posted March 26, 2018 On 26/03/2018 at 14:42, Christmas Tree said: I think most working class brexiteers really don’t believe in or out is going to make much difference to them. Expand I agree with this insofar as it's more about taking something away from others. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renton 24425 Posted March 26, 2018 Share Posted March 26, 2018 On 26/03/2018 at 15:26, ewerk said: It’s the symbolism of a border between the north of Ireland and the south. At the moment the border is invisible, travel is entirely free flowing. If you start installing CCTV at 200 points along the border it is moving us away from the feel of one country. The cameras wouldn’t be up 24 hours before many of them would be torn down. This would happen over and over until they’d become more fortified with a possible human presence to protect them. This again escalates the conflict whereby the people protecting them are warned that their life is at risk by doing so. And that’s without mentioning that a system of CCTV alone is entirely unworkable as a customs solution. Expand These are going to be magic x ray cameras though. CT, when are you going to get that there is no technical solution to preventing smuggling and regulatory misalignment. Also, May has already categorically stated there will be no infrastructure at all, and she specifically vetoed the use of cameras. Did you bother to read that Richard North blog I kindly posted to try to get you to understand the issues involved? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Gloom 24236 Posted March 26, 2018 Share Posted March 26, 2018 He didn’t agree with the blog. He also didn’t read it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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