Christmas Tree 4685 Posted March 8, 2018 Author Share Posted March 8, 2018 32 minutes ago, Renton said: People and parliament were ignorant to these impact studies. The Leave campaign stated 350 million more for the NHS, easiest deal in history etc. All lies. Plus anti-immigrant propaganda the Nazi's would be proud of. Now that the facts are a lot clearer, what possible objection could a person who believes in representative democracy have against parliament having a free vote? I'd suggest only a fascist would object. What gets me about you, and I'm sure it is intentional on your side, is the blase way you treat matters that are of vital importance to our region. Yeah, who cares if we are all going to be thousands of pounds worse off, services are going to get even worse, and we are forced to eat chlorinated chicken and mutant vegetables? Sorry, but I do. I think that’s because your the biggest adult drama queen I’ve ever encountered. Real life Chicken Licken. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewerk 30249 Posted March 8, 2018 Share Posted March 8, 2018 What's the negotiation about around the legal text? It's largely what was agreed in December. I can't see the EU wanting to re-open phase 1 negotiations. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christmas Tree 4685 Posted March 8, 2018 Author Share Posted March 8, 2018 1 minute ago, ewerk said: What's the negotiation about around the legal text? It's largely what was agreed in December. I can't see the EU wanting to re-open phase 1 negotiations. It was fudged. There were 3 options. 1. Mays custom agreement plan 2. Technology 3. Full alignment etc or border down the Irish Sea. No way UK will agree legally to 3. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewerk 30249 Posted March 8, 2018 Share Posted March 8, 2018 Despite agreeing to it in December? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renton 21276 Posted March 8, 2018 Share Posted March 8, 2018 6 minutes ago, Christmas Tree said: It was fudged. There were 3 options. 1. Mays custom agreement plan 2. Technology 3. Full alignment etc or border down the Irish Sea. No way UK will agree legally to 3. You never did give us your plans for how to avoid the Irish trilemma. Don't worry though, nobody else has a feasible plan either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewerk 30249 Posted March 8, 2018 Share Posted March 8, 2018 1 hour ago, Renton said: Well, the Brexit impact paper (the one that didn't exist) has been published, as we know showing a devastating reduction in NE GDP should the only option open to us be taken (CETA style). NI is next worst affected. I'll be interested in CT's critique of why the government's own forecasts are wrong. There was literally one redaction. Surely leavers should now realise that they've been lied to all along by the leavers in power. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gemmill 44351 Posted March 8, 2018 Share Posted March 8, 2018 May got asked what would be her perfect night out if she wanted to "let her hair down" she on ITV earlier. This was her response. "Well, I don’t think that when you let your hair down there’s only one way of doing it. I think it depends on the group that you’ve got, it depends on the time. But as I say, my International Women’s Day is rather more focused not on what we can do to enjoy ourselves but actually on what we can do to help women out there, women who are suffering, women who are being abused and whose lives are being made a daily living hell." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gemmill 44351 Posted March 8, 2018 Share Posted March 8, 2018 Honestly she's a fucking mutant. Just be a fucking human you utterly unrelatable mong. Tell them you just like to close the coffin lid and read the Twilight books. That would have been more normal than what she said. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christmas Tree 4685 Posted March 8, 2018 Author Share Posted March 8, 2018 14 minutes ago, ewerk said: Despite agreeing to it in December? I told you at the time it was a fudge. If EU don’t agree to 1 or 2 it’s No Dealio, No divorce money, No herring. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Gloom 21812 Posted March 8, 2018 Share Posted March 8, 2018 9 minutes ago, Christmas Tree said: I told you at the time it was a fudge. If EU don’t agree to 1 or 2 it’s No Dealio, No divorce money, No herring. and that would just end brilliantly for us, wouldn't it - a cliff edge scenario? we don't have much of a hand to play. this is fact. hard brexit hurts us more than it hurts them. it ain't going to happen. we're on a one-way path to soft brexit. the real elite power in the country has too much at stake - many are tory party donors btw - and they're not going to let a few eurosceptic dickhead tory MPs and the referendum votes of the great unwashed fuck up their shit. capeesh? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renton 21276 Posted March 8, 2018 Share Posted March 8, 2018 22 minutes ago, Christmas Tree said: I told you at the time it was a fudge. If EU don’t agree to 1 or 2 it’s No Dealio, No divorce money, No herring. 1 and 2 aren't realistic options. There isn't an exemplar border in the world like them, not even close. Both break the GFA. So, a question for you. Would you prefer to say "fuck it", keep the status quo, at this stage, or would you rather go over the cliff? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NJS 4371 Posted March 8, 2018 Share Posted March 8, 2018 1 hour ago, Gemmill said: May got asked what would be her perfect night out if she wanted to "let her hair down" she on ITV earlier. This was her response. "Well, I don’t think that when you let your hair down there’s only one way of doing it. I think it depends on the group that you’ve got, it depends on the time. But as I say, my International Women’s Day is rather more focused not on what we can do to enjoy ourselves but actually on what we can do to help women out there, women who are suffering, women who are being abused and whose lives are being made a daily living hell." So I presume she'll be volunteering at her local abuse shelter - oh shit she can't cos she closed the cunt down. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewerk 30249 Posted March 8, 2018 Share Posted March 8, 2018 1 hour ago, Christmas Tree said: I told you at the time it was a fudge. If EU don’t agree to 1 or 2 it’s No Dealio, No divorce money, No herring. There’s a difference between a ‘fudge’ and reneging on a clearly worded agreement. This is the latter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christmas Tree 4685 Posted March 8, 2018 Author Share Posted March 8, 2018 1 hour ago, Dr Gloom said: and that would just end brilliantly for us, wouldn't it - a cliff edge scenario? we don't have much of a hand to play. this is fact. hard brexit hurts us more than it hurts them. it ain't going to happen. we're on a one-way path to soft brexit. the real elite power in the country has too much at stake - many are tory party donors btw - and they're not going to let a few eurosceptic dickhead tory MPs and the referendum votes of the great unwashed fuck up their shit. capeesh? I dont totally disagree with you, I’m just not sure what the mechanics are of getting to a very soft Brexit. If we walk away, there’s no deal to vote on and the hard brexiteers MP’s win. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christmas Tree 4685 Posted March 8, 2018 Author Share Posted March 8, 2018 1 hour ago, Renton said: 1 and 2 aren't realistic options. There isn't an exemplar border in the world like them, not even close. Both break the GFA. So, a question for you. Would you prefer to say "fuck it", keep the status quo, at this stage, or would you rather go over the cliff? Neither thanks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renton 21276 Posted March 8, 2018 Share Posted March 8, 2018 1 hour ago, Christmas Tree said: Neither thanks Yeah, it's a hypothetical binary choice, which may become not so hypothecatical quite soon. Not like you to dodge a straight question though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renton 21276 Posted March 8, 2018 Share Posted March 8, 2018 BTW CT, the economic model shows Brexit under an FTA (the only thing the EU will offer) will lead to a 5% loss of GDP (that's a mean UK figure, more than twice that for the NE). The estimated uplift from free trade with the rest of the world is a pathetic 0.3% in comparison, and the net loss will dwarf EU contributions. Remember, these are government figures. Didn't you want to leave for the benefit of global trade? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewerk 30249 Posted March 8, 2018 Share Posted March 8, 2018 1 hour ago, Christmas Tree said: I dont totally disagree with you, I’m just not sure what the mechanics are of getting to a very soft Brexit. If we walk away, there’s no deal to vote on and the hard brexiteers MP’s win. It’s easy. Tory rebels team up with Labour, SNP and Lib Dems to make it clear that they’ll veto any hard Brexit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christmas Tree 4685 Posted March 8, 2018 Author Share Posted March 8, 2018 1 hour ago, Renton said: BTW CT, the economic model shows Brexit under an FTA (the only thing the EU will offer) will lead to a 5% loss of GDP (that's a mean UK figure, more than twice that for the NE). The estimated uplift from free trade with the rest of the world is a pathetic 0.3% in comparison, and the net loss will dwarf EU contributions. Remember, these are government figures. Didn't you want to leave for the benefit of global trade? Again, your defeatist attitude shows through. It’s a negotiation but as usual you are accepting that the EU’s starting position is the end game. Pointless discussion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christmas Tree 4685 Posted March 8, 2018 Author Share Posted March 8, 2018 51 minutes ago, ewerk said: It’s easy. Tory rebels team up with Labour, SNP and Lib Dems to make it clear that they’ll veto any hard Brexit. How can they veto if there’s no vote? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renton 21276 Posted March 8, 2018 Share Posted March 8, 2018 6 minutes ago, Christmas Tree said: Again, your defeatist attitude shows through. It’s a negotiation but as usual you are accepting that the EU’s starting position is the end game. Pointless discussion. Eh? I'm quoting figures from the government report. This shows that the monetary benefits of Brexit are outweighed by the disbenefits more than ten fold. More than twenty fold in the case of NE. It's difficult to imagine the analysis is so wrong the direction could go the other way whatever deal is reached. Still, what do experts know. And you're right, with you it is a pointless discussion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renton 21276 Posted March 8, 2018 Share Posted March 8, 2018 9 minutes ago, Christmas Tree said: How can they veto if there’s no vote? They can force a vote. But it doesn't look it will get that far because THERE IS NO SOLUTION TO THE NI BORDER. Face it, the Tories have fucked this up completely. http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-eu-talks-irish-border-tusk-varadkar-northern-ireland-uk-solution-dup-a8246216.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewerk 30249 Posted March 8, 2018 Share Posted March 8, 2018 16 minutes ago, Christmas Tree said: How can they veto if there’s no vote? Why do you think the Trade Bill hasn’t made its way back of the floor of the House? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Gloom 21812 Posted March 8, 2018 Share Posted March 8, 2018 All the talk of the Irish border and we have almost forgotten this one https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/mar/08/customs-checks-will-cause-huge-tailbacks-warns-calais-port-boss Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewerk 30249 Posted March 8, 2018 Share Posted March 8, 2018 I did mention it a few days ago but as per usual no long listens to a fucking word I say. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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