Europe --- In or Out

[Christmas Tree 4725]

11 minutes ago, ewerk said:

How does any of that prevent a hard border in Ireland?

 

I think the hard border issue is talked about quite out of proportion to the reality of everyday life. If we are pretty much aligned to the EU, which for the majority of goods, we will be and we use common place schemes such as trusted trader, pre clearance of certain goods, I’m not really sure what the big issue is. What are we worried about been smuggled across the border? Surely we can just go after hard core smugglers (if there’s actually a big market) through the police.

 

What area of smuggling across an open border keeps you awake at night?

[TheGingerQuiff 2412]

Why do you want to leave again? Sounds like you're championing the status quo

[ewerk 30610]

9 minutes ago, Christmas Tree said:

 

I think the hard border issue is talked about quite out of proportion to the reality of everyday life. If we are pretty much aligned to the EU, which for the majority of goods, we will be and we use common place schemes such as trusted trader, pre clearance of certain goods, I’m not really sure what the big issue is. What are we worried about been smuggled across the border? Surely we can just go after hard core smugglers (if there’s actually a big market) through the police.

 

What area of smuggling across an open border keeps you awake at night?

You simply do not have the brain capacity to begin understanding the complexities of international trade. It isn’t your fault, it isn’t a question that should ever have been put to you. I’m a reasonably intelligent guy and even I would say I’ve only got a basic grasp on it. So there’s literally no point in me trying to explain it to you. But I will tell you that pretty much everything in this negotiation will come down to Ireland. Whether it be regulations, customs or free movement, Ireland will be the sticking point. It could be dealt with by giving us special status but that was out the window the moment your leader agreed a deal with the homophobic trolls.

[Christmas Tree 4725]

6 minutes ago, ewerk said:

You simply do not have the brain capacity to begin understanding the complexities of international trade. It isn’t your fault, it isn’t a question that should ever have been put to you. I’m a reasonably intelligent guy and even I would say I’ve only got a basic grasp on it. So there’s literally no point in me trying to explain it to you. But I will tell you that pretty much everything in this negotiation will come down to Ireland. Whether it be regulations, customs or free movement, Ireland will be the sticking point. It could be dealt with by giving us special status but that was out the window the moment your leader agreed a deal with the homophobic trolls.

 

 So you’re a pretty intelligent guy but can’t answer my question.

 

And you such a stickler for answers to questions.

[ewerk 30610]

It’s a very wide ranging question and I know it will have no affect on you. But if you’d really like a reply I’ll do one later as I’m heading to golf now.

In return you can answer me a very simple question. In the post-Brexit world what goods and services will be selling to non-EU countries and which countries will they be?

[ewerk 30610]

Right, well if you’re not going to bother giving me an answer then I’ll not bother giving you one.

[Christmas Tree 4725]

6 minutes ago, ewerk said:

Right, well if you’re not going to bother giving me an answer then I’ll not bother giving you one.

 

I asked first.

[ewerk 30610]

My answer will take a bit of effort to put into terms that you might understand. I just want you to give me a few examples of what we’ll sell like tea to India, lamb to New Zealand etc.

[Gemmill 44879]

7 hours ago, Christmas Tree said:

Its quite something that both of your comments actually assume this IS NOT a negotiation and that we just have to take what were told BEFORE said negotiations actually begin. You're positions are totally defeatist.

 

Setting up a new free trade agreement it is totally acceptable to say there are areas where we want to have the same rules / regulations and other areas where we don't. Bit like the TTIP deal. Some areas where acceptable, other were not.

 

If a UK business wants to sell to an EU (or any other trading partner) then it has to meet that trading partners standards. That's a choice the business will make. Obviously for massive industries like cars it makes sense to stay aligned, for smaller businesses we can set our own rules.

 

This all comes back to the basic arguments of German car manufacturers, French farmer etc. The idea that the EU is going start sticking big tariffs between us is ridiculous, Its not going to happen.

 

Have a word with yourselves and stop being so defeatist. 

 

Fuck off thick cunt. 

[Christmas Tree 4725]

1 hour ago, ewerk said:

My answer will take a bit of effort to put into terms that you might understand. I just want you to give me a few examples of what we’ll sell like tea to India, lamb to New Zealand etc.

 

It was a very simple question about what getting smuggled across the border keeps you awake at night. No need to dress it up or dumb it down or try and turn it into something completely different.

[ewerk 30610]

I recommend that you read Unapproved Routes: Histories of the Irish Border, 1922-1972 by Peter Leary. 

I mean I haven’t read it myself but I can highly recommend it.

[Christmas Tree 4725]

4 minutes ago, ewerk said:

I recommend that you read Unapproved Routes: Histories of the Irish Border, 1922-1972 by Peter Leary. 

I mean I haven’t read it myself but I can highly recommend it.

 

Its ok, I'll wait for your answer.

[ewerk 30610]

Are you really that fucking thick? Goods that are okay to use in the UK but don’t meet EU standards can be smuggled into the south from where they can be shipped anywhere in the EU without checks. Goods which the EU charges tariffs on and the UK doesn’t can do the same. Are you really that stupid that you can’t see why there has to be some form of border between a EU and non-EU country?

[Gemmill 44879]

Honestly, I don't know why people entertain him. He has proven time and time again to be as thick as pigshit. 

[Howmanheyman 33206]

33 minutes ago, Gemmill said:

Honestly, I don't know why people entertain him. He has proven time and time again to be as thick as pigshit. 

What are you trying to say, Gem?

[Christmas Tree 4725]

1 hour ago, ewerk said:

Are you really that fucking thick? Goods that are okay to use in the UK but don’t meet EU standards can be smuggled into the south from where they can be shipped anywhere in the EU without checks. Goods which the EU charges tariffs on and the UK doesn’t can do the same. Are you really that stupid that you can’t see why there has to be some form of border between a EU and non-EU country?

 

Not the question I asked. 

[ewerk 30610]

I’m not wasting my time providing you with a comprehensive answer until you tell me what we’re goung to be trading. Given that your primary reason for voting out was increased trade this should be easy for you.

[Howmanheyman 33206]

1 minute ago, Christmas Tree said:

 

Not the question I asked. 

I honestly don't know why you continually entertain him, CT. 

[ewerk 30610]

Hey @Christmas Tree  are you still unable to illustrate what goods and countries will help make up for the shortfall in GDP growth that leaving the EU will cause. It’s your entire reason for leaving so I assume you have the facts.

[Renton 21625]

CT is a fucking moron man. He's never been able to articulate a single advantage of Brexit. Faced with the threat of war in Ireland breaking out again, this thick lump of blubber claims amnesia compared to similar aged posters.Thick twats like this are ruining our  country. And there's nothing we can do about it. 

[ewerk 30610]

Looks like Corbyn is finally going to demand a customs union. With the support of Labour, SNP and Tory rebels there could be interesting times ahead.

Edited February 25, 2018 by ewerk

[Dr Gloom 21923]

 

[Dr Gloom 21923]

10 hours ago, ewerk said:

Hey @Christmas Tree  are you still unable to illustrate what goods and countries will help make up for the shortfall in GDP growth that leaving the EU will cause. It’s your entire reason for leaving so I assume you have the facts.

You assume wrong

[ewerk 30610]

Then he knows about as much as Liam Fox. All he could come up with was a reference to how many cities China will have with 1,000,000+ inhabitants by 2030.

His confidence that the UK will get the deal it wants seems to be entirely based on the belief that ‘they need us’.

[PaddockLad 17260]

@ewerk

 

This could be a taste of what is to come for NI if we charge out the EU with deal of any kind. I saw it with my own eyes in July 2013. the Croatians had to build border posts on all main roads into Bosnia-Herzegovina  where there hadn't been any, even during the war in the 90s..

 

• Firstly: the Agreement on Border Crossing Points does not only fix the places of border crossing points on the longest border in the Western Balkans of more than 1,000 km. The agreement is also in full compliance with the EU requirements regarding border controls of persons and of goods. It will facilitate the exchange of goods of Croatia and the EU with Bosnia and Herzegovina.

• Secondly: The Local Border Traffic Agreement will allow citizens living in an area of 5 km or less from the joint State border to cross it under easier conditions than in the case of normal crossings. Beneficiaries are in particular farmers, families with ties on both sides of the border and economic actors operating mostly in that area. The agreement provides for a revision clause to extend the border area to up to 30 km. The parties could thus decide on enlarging the number of beneficiaries of the simplified procedures in the future. 

I wish to congratulate both countries for all their efforts to timely construct the necessary infrastructure, such as the Border Inspection Points established by Croatia or the access road on the territory of Bosnia and Herzegovina to the new Border Crossing Point at Bijača close to Čapljina/Metković. 

Once Bosnia and Herzegovina is entitled to export agricultural products of animal origin to the EU, including Croatia, an additional Crossing Point at Isačić / Ličko Petrovo close to Bihać can be prepared for such exports. This relates in particular to milk and milk products. 

Bosnia and Herzegovina can do more and should transpose the related EU laws in this sector and set up EU compatible control structures for such products. I call today on all political leaders and the heads of governments and administrations in Bosnia and Herzegovina to work with unified determination on this task.

The Joint Interpretative Note on the Neum/Ploče Agreement ensures smooth transit traffic through the Neum-corridor. I welcome the readiness of the administrations of both countries to carry out the necessary controls of the borders of this corridor of less than 10 km in thorough cooperation. 

At the same time, the EU has been able to grant Bosnia and Herzegovina a special transit regime for the export of agricultural products of animal origin from Bosnia and Herzegovina to third countries through the port of Ploče. Such derogations are extremely rare. They will allow the country to continue to use the Port of Ploče in Croatia for its agri-food sector.

This means that, on the one hand, the transit of EU citizens through the Neum-corridor will be facilitated and on the other, Bosnia and Herzegovina will be be granted the right to continue using the Port of Ploče for the export of agricultural products of animal origin to third countries.

 

http://europa.eu/rapid/press-release_SPEECH-13-557_en.htm

 

 

Edited February 25, 2018 by PaddockLad