Europe --- In or Out

[Rayvin 5176]

Yeah, well, same. I wish they were headed by a more competent collective as well, but they aren't.

 

Agree on Carillion too.

[Christmas Tree 4686]

Time to take your heads out the sand.

 

https://t.co/4cKtkbm8Eq

 

 

[ewerk 30259]

Brexit supporter in supporting Brexit shock!

[Alex 34838]

There’s something telling me that’s an opinion piece 

[Monkeys Fist 42060]

Surprised you noticed that , with your head in the sand and that. 

[Renton 21294]

Hmmmn. Published analysis from countries and organisations such as the OECD, the economist, the IMF, Scotland, London, the EU, the BoE and even the treasury have been remarkably consistent in their estimates of the economic damage Brexit will do. For some reason, the people you would expect would need the information most, DExEU, haven't bothered publishing anything worthwhile.

 

So who to believe? A virtually unanimous collection of professional economists or CT? 

 

Wake up sheeple! 

[ewerk 30259]

https://www.standard.co.uk/news/politics/emmanuel-macron-warns-theresa-may-british-finance-sector-will-not-be-covered-by-final-brexit-deal-a3744051.html

 

Time to take your head out of the sand.

[Renton 21294]

Let's be honest. Because of services (especially financial) and the NI border we won't be leaving the EU in any meaningful way. All we have done is embarrassed ourselves and lost influence by shitting in our pants. What a fucking colossal  waste of time and money. 

[Dr Gloom 21812]

1 hour ago, Alex said:

There’s something telling me that’s an opinion piece 

 

 not even subtle is it 

[ewerk 30259]

4 minutes ago, Renton said:

Let's be honest. Because of services (especially financial) and the NI border we won't be leaving the EU in any meaningful way. All we have done is embarrassed ourselves and lost influence by shitting in our pants. What a fucking colossal  waste of time and money. 

The loss of influence is huge though. We will basically be subject to their rules without any representation. It's the opposite of increasing our sovereignty.

[Renton 21294]

8 minutes ago, ewerk said:

The loss of influence is huge though. We will basically be subject to their rules without any representation. It's the opposite of increasing our sovereignty.

 

Yep, and with Tusk and Juncker both saying A50 can be cancelled this week, I have just the slimmest of hopes sanity will prevail before March 2019. 

 

But then Corbyn. 

[Meenzer 15401]

I see Boris wants to build a bridge across the Channel now.

[ewerk 30259]

Another way for those wild immigrunts to get into our glorious country!

[Alex 34838]

36 minutes ago, Meenzer said:

I see Boris wants to build a bridge across the Channel now.

As long as him and Mike Ashley go in the foundations, I'm for it

[TheGingerQuiff 2412]

Reality bites in in the ct household

 

 

[ewerk 30259]

Looks like Labour are now backing the 'have our cake and eat it' tactic.

 

[Renton 21294]

36 minutes ago, ewerk said:

Looks like Labour are now backing the 'have our cake and eat it' tactic.

 

Tbf I watched that interview, and the one with Macron before, and McDonnell made a lot more sense than Corbyn has previously. Wish we had a PM as capable as Macron though.

 

With the agreements we've already made on NI, which are being legally enforced (despite what CT claims), the only option will for us to go into a "Norway plus" "transition". We'll be in the SM and CU, will contribute to the EU budget, accept the 4 freedoms (with some tinkering of FoM), be under ECJ jurisdiction, and have no say whatsoever on future EU edicts. We'll be technically out the EU but we won't be. 

 

This will go on indefinitely until we fully rejoin at a layer date. This is literally a Brexiteers worst nightmare, which is highly amusing. Btw, this is all evidenced by phase 1, the GFA, Davis's leaked letter where he shat his pants at the EU making provisions for no deal, and the fact the deadline is so close and we have made zero infrastructure investment. I'd highlight May was categoric when she said there will be NO infrastructure on the NI border, not even cameras. Ergo there must be full regulatory and legal alignment.

 

If someone can point out where I am wrong or describe a more realistic scenario, I'm all ears. 

[Alex 34838]

Tbh, while that deal isn't great it's better than some of the frankly moronic alternatives and it'll almost be worth it to be able to the remind the 'winners' they've basically achieved giving the UK less sovereignty than it previously had.  #TeamCracking

[ewerk 30259]

7 minutes ago, Renton said:

 

With the agreements we've already made on NI, which are being legally enforced (despite what CT claims), the only option will for us to go into a "Norway plus" "transition". We'll be in the SM and CU, will contribute to the EU budget, accept the 4 freedoms (with some tinkering of FoM), be under ECJ jurisdiction, and have no say whatsoever on future EU edicts. We'll be technically out the EU but we won't be. 

 

What sort of tinkering would you suggest regarding FoM? Do any of the EEA countries restrict movement of labour in practice?

[Renton 21294]

1 minute ago, ewerk said:

 

What sort of tinkering would you suggest regarding FoM? Do any of the EEA countries restrict movement of labour in practice?

 

Actually just applying the rules we already can with a bit of branding so should do it. It'll appease idiots like CT, basically. 

[Renton 21294]

11 minutes ago, Alex said:

Tbh, while that deal isn't great it's better than some of the frankly moronic alternatives and it'll almost be worth it to be able to the remind the 'winners' they've basically achieved giving the UK less sovereignty than it previously had.  #TeamCracking

 

Aye, this is the irony. I think it'll get to the stage, particularly with younger demographics getting the vote, when well realise it's all been a collosal waste of time and we'll end up where we were, without the rebate. Cracking. (I doubt we'll be forced to adopt the Euro or schenghen though). 

[Gemmill 44366]

Ukip imploding again. A ragtag bunch of thick as fuck arseholes. 

[Alex 34838]

4 minutes ago, Gemmill said:

Ukip imploding again. A ragtag bunch of thick as fuck arseholes. 

Nicely put

[Sonatine 11307]

 

Some cracking stuff in that thread

[Howmanheyman 32721]

21 hours ago, Sonatine said:

 

Some cracking stuff in that thread

 

Used to be on another smaller football forum years ago when ukip were far more irrelevant and nobody gave them the time of day. One of the posters was a ukip councillor or would-be councillor. Was pro-Ashley and a bit of a loon with a fucking weird way of describing his family. @PaddockLad will remember him well. Ozymandyias I think he was called? A strange breed.