Europe --- In or Out

[Christmas Tree 4685]

2 minutes ago, Renton said:

 

Tubs wants a CU deal similar to Turkey's deal?

 

It's absolutely shit, the worst of all worlds. What a fucking aspiration.

 

https://infacts.org/briefings/turkish-option/

 

CT, it's as if you don't understand what a customs union is. Being in one stops us making our own deals with third countries. Oh, and it wouldn't circumvent the need for a border in Ireland. You are a bone fide idiot. 

 

 

 

No I don’t want Turkeys deal and you clearly don’t understand

 

I’m not sure what else to say. This is the solution and what the UK is after.

[Renton 21268]

8 minutes ago, Christmas Tree said:

 

No I don’t want Turkeys deal and you clearly don’t understand

 

I’m not sure what else to say. This is the solution and what the UK is after.

 

It's difficult to know how to respond to such stupid.

 

You don't know what a customs union is. 

 

On one hand, fair enough, most people don't. But then on the other, most people don't advertise their ignorance on a message board.

[Ayatollah Hermione 13792]

Which headline containing the phrase "Customs Union" did CT skim read this morning?

[Christmas Tree 4685]

11 minutes ago, Renton said:

 

It's difficult to know how to respond to such stupid.

 

You don't know what a customs union is. 

 

On one hand, fair enough, most people don't. But then on the other, most people don't advertise their ignorance on a message board.

 

Im not sure what you are failing to grasp

 

We are currently in one form of the customs union with the EU.

 

Turkey is in a BESPOKE customs union with the EU. It’s different to ours.

 

We want a different bespoke customs union that keeps as much as what we have but allows us to carry out our own 3rd party FTA’s.

 

[TheGingerQuiff 2412]

This just popped up on my timeline

 

 

 

[ewerk 30238]

3 minutes ago, Christmas Tree said:

 

 

 

We want a different bespoke customs union that keeps as much as what we have but allows us to carry out our own 3rd party FTA’s.

 

 

You realise that the two aren’t compatible?

[Christmas Tree 4685]

4 minutes ago, TheGingerQuiff said:

This just popped up on my timeline

 

 

 

 

 

Well that pretty much backs up what I’ve been trying to explain for the last few months. Naturally we would tie it up a bit better than Turkey.

[Christmas Tree 4685]

2 minutes ago, ewerk said:

 

You realise that the two aren’t compatible?

 

Ofcourse they are. Why else do you think the UK government are trying to negotiate one?

[Renton 21268]

2 minutes ago, Christmas Tree said:

 

Im not sure what you are failing to grasp

 

We are currently in one form of the customs union with the EU.

 

Turkey is in a BESPOKE customs union with the EU. It’s different to ours.

 

We want a different bespoke customs union that keeps as much as what we have but allows us to carry out our own 3rd party FTA’s.

 

Jesus wept. Listen to Ewerk, or even partake in the most elementary research?

 

There is and can only be one customs union, strangely enough that would be the EU customs union. Turkey don't have a special arrangement other than they are exempted from agriculture. They are otherwise completely hamstrung by all the regulations but none of the benefits of the EEA which they desperately want.

 

Now, just let's say we are allowed to ipt out of certain sectors, something the EU has always insisted it won't allow. What sectors would they be? And how would that circumvent the need for an NI border? Also how does that prevent ECJ involvement?

 

The ONLY way to prevent a border in Ireland is to be fully in the EEA and CU. I even provided you a link to you explaining why even a completely comprehensive FTA and perfect harmonisation isn't enough. Do the decent thing, read it and educate yourself tubs. 

[ewerk 30238]

4 minutes ago, Christmas Tree said:

 

Ofcourse they are. Why else do you think the UK government are trying to negotiate one?

 

At this point you surely have to admit that you don’t have a clue what you’re talking about?

[Renton 21268]

6 minutes ago, Christmas Tree said:

 

Ofcourse they are. Why else do you think the UK government are trying to negotiate one?

Do you know what incompatible means?

[Christmas Tree 4685]

3 minutes ago, Renton said:

Jesus wept. Listen to Ewerk, or even partake in the most elementary research?

 

There is and can only be one customs union, strangely enough that would be the EU customs union. Turkey don't have a special arrangement other than they are exempted from agriculture. They are otherwise completely hamstrung by all the regulations but none of the benefits of the EEA which they desperately want.

 

Now, just let's say we are allowed to ipt out of certain sectors, something the EU has always insisted it won't allow. What sectors would they be? And how would that circumvent the need for an NI border? Also how does that prevent ECJ involvement?

 

The ONLY way to prevent a border in Ireland is to be fully in the EEA and CU. I even provided you a link to you explaining why even a completely comprehensive FTA and perfect harmonisation isn't enough. Do the decent thing, read it and educate yourself tubs. 

 

Theres literally no point arguing over this. All I am doing is relaying the long standing position of the UK government

 

You shouting it won’t work doesn’t make me stupid for quoting the governments position.

 

You are 100% confident it can’t be done, the government is not.

[Christmas Tree 4685]

5 minutes ago, ewerk said:

 

At this point you surely have to admit that you don’t have a clue what you’re talking about?

 

Im quickly coming to the conclusion I’m the only one that does.

[Christmas Tree 4685]

1 minute ago, Ant said:

 

Sometimes it's clear you're being a wum, and other times it's clear you're just fucking stupid

 

 So quoting the governments negotiating position is wummary now.

[Rayvin 5175]

I think the problem with that though, CT, is that the government demonstrably have no idea what they're doing.

[Christmas Tree 4685]

Just now, Ant said:

 

No currently it's the latter of my statement, you're just being thick

 

So quoting the UK governments negotiating position is thick?

 

Ok

[Renton 21268]

5 minutes ago, Christmas Tree said:

 

So quoting the UK governments negotiating position is thick?

 

Ok

You've quoted fuck all. You've mentioned some bespokesy customs unionsy gubbins. Mind, the government is so clueless that might actually be a direct quote? 

 

This would be funny until you remember this idiot was allowed to vote in the most important issue since ww2. 

[Tom 14011]

Just for the record, the government have been utterly fucking clueless to pretty much every aspect of Brexit.

 

Quoting them doesn't make you smart.

[PaddockLad 17075]

 

[ewerk 30238]

Somewhat lost in the public's joy at the news of the royal wedding was the news the David Davis is not giving the Brexit select committee the full Brexit impact studies. They've been edited to remove any commercially sensitive information and anything that might 'undermine' his negotiating position.

 

Thank god we've restored our parliamentary sovereignty.

[Kevin Carr's Gloves 3809]

Space = Wolfy

EU = CT

[The Fish 10701]

So naive to think everything is going to work out fine.

[Alex 34821]

15 hours ago, Christmas Tree said:

 

Turkey are not EU members and don’t commit to four freedoms so no.

The deal Turkey have isn't what the UK would want (or need), it's shit compared to the deal we already have and their economy bears little resemblance to ours, so the 'bespokey' deal we want is nothing like the one currently Turkey have. I realise you'd probably have countered with "That's why it's bespokey", thinking that provides some insight into anything other than your lack of intellect, so I've saved you the bother there.

Edited November 28, 2017 by Alex

[Alex 34821]

1 hour ago, The Fish said:

So naive to think everything is going to work out fine.

Humpty Dumpty has now downgraded his 'cracking deal' more times than the government has had to downgrade their predicted growth figures.

[Christmas Tree 4685]

1 hour ago, ewerk said:

Somewhat lost in the public's joy at the news of the royal wedding was the news the David Davis is not giving the Brexit select committee the full Brexit impact studies. They've been edited to remove any commercially sensitive information and anything that might 'undermine' his negotiating position.

 

Thank god we've restored our parliamentary sovereignty.

 

I think this is all a bit of a storm in a tea cup. On the one hand I feel that it’s not in the UK’s interest to reveal commercially sensitive information about certain sectors. Why give the people across the table any extra help.

 

But secondly, most business sectors probably have a better handle on how it may effect them than the government. IE; the very many public reports on the financial sector.