ewerk 30238 Posted November 21, 2017 Share Posted November 21, 2017 Not that I'm aware of. The only suggestion has been to give NI special status. But the Unionists would never have that. It would give NI an incredible advantage over other regions of the UK economically but would mean having to show our blue passports when flying so it's not even up for consideration. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renton 21269 Posted November 21, 2017 Share Posted November 21, 2017 Just now, Rayvin said: Has anyone actually tabled a workable, non-hard border solution? No. The UK's response has been to dump the issue on the EU. I recommend you read the UK's pathetic position papers. There can be no physical border on the mainland which won't jeopardize the GFA. Also the practicalities. Let's just assume we want to put up number plate recognition cameras up. They'll be shot down. Who then is going to volunteer to replace them? I nominate Gove sans Kevlar vest. BTW Gove is staunchly against the GFA. He wants a return to war. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rayvin 5175 Posted November 21, 2017 Share Posted November 21, 2017 How can anyone in politics support a position that is 'staunchly against the GFA'... ? I assume he doesn't actually want a return to war But yeah, this sounds problematic for the government. Glad I don't have to work it out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renton 21269 Posted November 21, 2017 Share Posted November 21, 2017 6 minutes ago, Rayvin said: How can anyone in politics support a position that is 'staunchly against the GFA'... ? I assume he doesn't actually want a return to war But yeah, this sounds problematic for the government. Glad I don't have to work it out. Read his 2000 dissertation "The price of peace" and get back to me on that. I've been saying for months now that NI is a problem that is essentially insoluble. It'll either lead to the softest of Brexits or a catastrophic trade and actual physical war. Honestly don't know which. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewerk 30238 Posted November 21, 2017 Share Posted November 21, 2017 Quote The Scottish-born Brexit campaigner said the agreement was a “rigged referendum”, a “mortal stain” and “a humiliation of our army, police and parliament”. 'Rule Britannia!' Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex 34821 Posted November 21, 2017 Share Posted November 21, 2017 Rather typical of him to hold such strong views about something which doesn't really have any impact on his life. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Park Life 71 Posted November 21, 2017 Share Posted November 21, 2017 Need more fuckery in Germany so I can cash in my pounds. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meenzer 15391 Posted November 21, 2017 Share Posted November 21, 2017 Buy Bitcoin. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewerk 30238 Posted November 22, 2017 Share Posted November 22, 2017 23 hours ago, Rayvin said: Has anyone actually tabled a workable, non-hard border solution? The Daily Mail readers have come up with a few ideas. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rayvin 5175 Posted November 22, 2017 Share Posted November 22, 2017 I fucking hate the Daily Mail. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Isegrim 9732 Posted November 22, 2017 Share Posted November 22, 2017 (edited) 14 hours ago, ewerk said: The Daily Mail readers have come up with a few ideas. Quite a range of posts. He failed to mention bog trotter, virus infections and to add a curry recipe... Edited November 22, 2017 by Isegrim 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex 34821 Posted November 22, 2017 Share Posted November 22, 2017 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Anorthernsoul 1221 Posted November 24, 2017 Share Posted November 24, 2017 So classy those Tories. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewerk 30238 Posted November 27, 2017 Share Posted November 27, 2017 Disgraced Former Defence Secretary Liam Fox has said that there will be no agreement on the operation of the border until a trade deal is agreed. That should go down well in Brussels. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheGingerQuiff 2412 Posted November 27, 2017 Share Posted November 27, 2017 Well it beats giving the eu everything they want first then hoping we get a "cracking deal" on trade. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rayvin 5175 Posted November 27, 2017 Share Posted November 27, 2017 But we should want the border issue resolved first too... We're back to holding a gun to our own heads and threatening to pull the trigger again I see. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewerk 30238 Posted November 27, 2017 Share Posted November 27, 2017 9 minutes ago, TheGingerQuiff said: Well it beats giving the eu everything they want first then hoping we get a "cracking deal" on trade. The border isn't about giving the EU everything it wants. It's just as important an issue for the UK, it's just that the UK has no solutions for it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheGingerQuiff 2412 Posted November 27, 2017 Share Posted November 27, 2017 I agree it's an issue for the UK. But the eu want it sorting first and if you give them everything they want before trade talks then you leave yourself no leverage. Doubt there's an agreeable solution anyway Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewerk 30238 Posted November 27, 2017 Share Posted November 27, 2017 Just how would you suggest using Ireland as leverage? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheGingerQuiff 2412 Posted November 27, 2017 Share Posted November 27, 2017 6 minutes ago, ewerk said: Just how would you suggest using Ireland as leverage? Why do you think the EU wants all this stuff sorted before a trade agreement? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewerk 30238 Posted November 27, 2017 Share Posted November 27, 2017 Because they believe that the UK are going to leave it to them to fix it when it isn't them causing the problem. It's the UK seeking to leave so it's up to the UK to develop a workable strategy and no one has any faith that they will be able to do so. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex 34821 Posted November 27, 2017 Share Posted November 27, 2017 6 minutes ago, TheGingerQuiff said: Why do you think the EU wants all this stuff sorted before a trade agreement? Because they think the UK should sort out the mess it has created? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheGingerQuiff 2412 Posted November 27, 2017 Share Posted November 27, 2017 Just now, Alex said: Because they think the UK should sort out the mess it has created? Aye, but it's not rocket science to suggest that doing everything on the EU's terms and prioritising things on their terms will leave us even more at their mercy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewerk 30238 Posted November 27, 2017 Share Posted November 27, 2017 11 minutes ago, Alex said: Because they think the UK should sort out the mess it has created? Meanwhile not everyone in the UK agrees. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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