Christmas Tree 4725 Posted October 18, 2017 Author Share Posted October 18, 2017 41 minutes ago, Renton said: I'm being more civil than you deserve, that's for sure. The 8000 figure is an average figure. The 16000 figure is a peak figure. It's fairly obvious that systems have to be able to operate to the maximum throughput, not the average. Can you grasp this? Regardless, either figure is mind boggling huge. I can't imagine what 10,000 wagons look like. So, a simple question for you. In the event that custom checks had to be introduced in March 2019, do you honestly believe Dover could function? Yes, or no? Yes if the government act. The bottom line is though even if a trade deal is not agreed, I’m pretty sure both sides would still agree to a transition period to allow plans to be implemented. Regardless of your earlier comments, all of the EU businesses will still want to trade with us and will be just as keen for that trade to be practical. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renton 21623 Posted October 18, 2017 Share Posted October 18, 2017 16 minutes ago, Christmas Tree said: Yes if the government act. The bottom line is though even if a trade deal is not agreed, I’m pretty sure both sides would still agree to a transition period to allow plans to be implemented. Regardless of your earlier comments, all of the EU businesses will still want to trade with us and will be just as keen for that trade to be practical. Everything you've been "pretty sure" about to date has been proven wrong. It's not a simple matter of what business wants, the politics are much more complex than this. I literally can't comprehend how you have such faith in this shambolic government, or how a relatively benign Tory such as yourself (though still a cunt ) could align yourself with the extreme right of the party. Unless you are being contrary of course. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Isegrim 9775 Posted October 18, 2017 Share Posted October 18, 2017 7 hours ago, Christmas Tree said: The obvious solution is to agree to carry on with a frictionless customers arrangement. Failing that we move onto a system like the frictionless one at Southampton that handles the majority of non EU imports and exports. This is why it’s important that the we take a view soon whether the EU is going to come to it’s senses or not. (which it seems they are starting to do given yesterday’s leak from the foreign ministry). https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.express.co.uk/news/politics/868025/Brexit-news-leaked-paper-Germany-preparing-EU-trade-deal-Britain/amp Hopefully the waving of Willy’s is waning. I honestly couldn’t find anything at all about this in our press. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Gloom 21921 Posted October 18, 2017 Share Posted October 18, 2017 Of course not, CT is reduced to posting articles from the express - one of the few publications out there that publishes positive(ish) Brexit stories. not the most credible source. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christmas Tree 4725 Posted October 18, 2017 Author Share Posted October 18, 2017 2 hours ago, Renton said: Everything you've been "pretty sure" about to date has been proven wrong. It's not a simple matter of what business wants, the politics are much more complex than this. I literally can't comprehend how you have such faith in this shambolic government, or how a relatively benign Tory such as yourself (though still a cunt ) could align yourself with the extreme right of the party. Unless you are being contrary of course. Cunt & Contary, Defcon 4.5 You are extremely naive if you think business will not overcome the politics of this. Guaranteed, deal or no deal there will be a transition period. Also, all this extreme right patter Lots of centrists both Labour and Conservative voted for Brexit. Corbyn has always been eurosceptic. Is he right wing? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christmas Tree 4725 Posted October 18, 2017 Author Share Posted October 18, 2017 22 minutes ago, Dr Gloom said: Of course not, CT is reduced to posting articles from the express - one of the few publications out there that publishes positive(ish) Brexit stories. not the most credible source. As mentioned above, it’s Bloomberg who have the documents and broke the story. I suppose they are pro Brexit and not credible too Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renton 21623 Posted October 18, 2017 Share Posted October 18, 2017 4 minutes ago, Christmas Tree said: Cunt & Contary, Defcon 4.5 You are extremely naive if you think business will not overcome the politics of this. Guaranteed, deal or no deal there will be a transition period. Also, all this extreme right patter Lots of centrists both Labour and Conservative voted for Brexit. Corbyn has always been eurosceptic. Is he right wing? I'm naive? Take a look back through this, thread, you have been wrong about almost everything. Like Davis, Fox, and Johnson, you maintained a cracking deal would be easy and we would gorge on cake and it'd still be there the next morning. Cos BMWs and prosecco. Then just yesterday you were of the opinion WTO was an acceptable option and have invoked magical thinking into thinking there are no practical issues of concern here. Exactly like the extreme crackpots have. The nutters who are destroying your own party. The only good news that I can see is that this will see the Tories out of power for a generation, maybe forever. Their utter incompetence, duplicitousness, and callousness has been exposed for all to see. Bunch of cunts. You're welcome. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Howmanheyman 33196 Posted October 18, 2017 Share Posted October 18, 2017 1 hour ago, Renton said: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Isegrim 9775 Posted October 19, 2017 Share Posted October 19, 2017 7 hours ago, Christmas Tree said: As mentioned above, it’s Bloomberg who have the documents and broke the story. I suppose they are pro Brexit and not credible too Can’t find anything about it on Bloomberg.com either... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Gloom 21921 Posted October 19, 2017 Share Posted October 19, 2017 8 hours ago, Christmas Tree said: As mentioned above, it’s Bloomberg who have the documents and broke the story. I suppose they are pro Brexit and not credible too Link? I haven't read this story in any credible source Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christmas Tree 4725 Posted October 19, 2017 Author Share Posted October 19, 2017 1 hour ago, Isegrim said: Can’t find anything about it on Bloomberg.com either... https://t.co/aUDJWVNZCa Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christmas Tree 4725 Posted October 19, 2017 Author Share Posted October 19, 2017 45 minutes ago, Dr Gloom said: Link? I haven't read this story in any credible source https://t.co/aUDJWVNZCa Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
strawb 4251 Posted October 19, 2017 Share Posted October 19, 2017 Doesn’t defcon go down when things get more serious and not up? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meenzer 15526 Posted October 19, 2017 Share Posted October 19, 2017 Stop talking defcon down. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Gloom 21921 Posted October 19, 2017 Share Posted October 19, 2017 46 minutes ago, Christmas Tree said: https://t.co/aUDJWVNZCa Ok, I missed that story. It's worth noting that the German desire for a future free trade agreement with us comes with conditions (see passage from that Bloomberg piece below), which I don't think the hard brexiteers will accept. In its paper, the ministry recommends that the free-trade deal should be “balanced, ambitious and far-reaching,” with the degree of access to the EU’s single market conditional on the extent to which the U.K. is prepared to adhere to regulatory norms. Even where the U.K. agrees to common rules, there can be no “cherry-picking” that gives the U.K. a competitive advantage, it said. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Gloom 21921 Posted October 19, 2017 Share Posted October 19, 2017 I mean, they can't even agree on the divorce bill. And the Tory cabinet can't even agree on whether no deal is an option, or not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex 35079 Posted October 19, 2017 Share Posted October 19, 2017 1 hour ago, strawb said: Doesn’t defcon go down when things get more serious and not up? Aye, DEFCON 1 is basically finger on the button I think. Got to DEFCON 2 during the height of the Cuban Missile Crisis. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Park Life 71 Posted October 19, 2017 Share Posted October 19, 2017 Name calling is a sign of insecurity fuckheads! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renton 21623 Posted October 19, 2017 Share Posted October 19, 2017 5 minutes ago, Park Life said: Name calling is a sign of insecurity fuckheads! I'm entirely secure on the fact that CT is a contrary idiot. He does pose the philosophical quandary as to whether it's better to be informed and miserable or ignorant and happy though. As long as the soma keeps flowing he gives the impression of being as happy as a pig in shit. How true this is I can only guess. Underneath the Panama hat those piggy eyes have sadness that belies the smug grin..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Gloom 21921 Posted October 19, 2017 Share Posted October 19, 2017 the piggy eyes under the panama hat Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex 35079 Posted October 19, 2017 Share Posted October 19, 2017 Difficult to imagine anyone that desperate for attention is also that happy. Although it's even more difficult to imagine being that ignorant so who knows? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Park Life 71 Posted October 19, 2017 Share Posted October 19, 2017 He has deep cabbie knowledge. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Isegrim 9775 Posted October 19, 2017 Share Posted October 19, 2017 4 hours ago, Christmas Tree said: https://t.co/aUDJWVNZCa Thanks, I missed that but can’t see why this paper does indicate a shift in German policies. It only states well known intentions when talks about a trade deal do start, something that does still depend on the progress in other areas. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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