Europe --- In or Out

[Renton 21272]

8 minutes ago, Rayvin said:

 

True, but that's the consequence of all of this. We would just need them to sort that out reasonably quietly.

shhhhhhh!

 

I think we now need a more substantial change than loss of rebate, like I said in a previous post about associate membership. That would benefit the EU going forward and in a way maybe us too given our arrogance. Interestingly, Macron hinted at this yesterday.

[Christmas Tree 4685]

Bombardier has nothing whatsoever to do with us being in or out of the single market.

[Park Life 71]

2 minutes ago, Christmas Tree said:

Bombardier has nothing whatsoever to do with us being in or out of the single market.

Yeah but we can't hit back if we were in the EU and used all its architecture and courts and so on we could with mutual support take a chunk out of Boeing (again).

[Rayvin 5176]

23 minutes ago, Christmas Tree said:

Bombardier has nothing whatsoever to do with us being in or out of the single market.

 

It does demonstrate how vulnerable we are, though. We're an absolute non-entity of a country outside of the EU.

Edited September 27, 2017 by Rayvin

[Christmas Tree 4685]

2 minutes ago, Park Life said:

Yeah but we can't hit back if we were in the EU and used all its architecture and courts and so on we could with mutual support take a chunk out of Boeing (again).

 

WTO rules, nowt to do with EU (not that they'd get involved anyway). Much better to what we are doing today (as is Canada) and threatening to cancel Boeing defence orders.

[Park Life 71]

1 minute ago, Christmas Tree said:

 

WTO rules, nowt to do with EU (not that they'd get involved anyway). Much better to what we are doing today (as is Canada) and threatening to cancel Boeing defence orders.

I understand that but they'd be less likely to start if the whole EU started threatening to cancel shit. Cancel the def orders immediately obviously and give it all to Airbus, Racal and Raytheon.

[Christmas Tree 4685]

1 minute ago, Rayvin said:

 

It doesn't demonstrate how vulnerable we are, though. We're an absolute non-entity of a country outside of the EU.

 

This is nothing to do with the EU. This is Boeing trying to block a rival based in Canada and NI.

 

We do loads of trade around the world on WTO rules and the EU has zero influence.

 

 

[Renton 21272]

17 minutes ago, Christmas Tree said:

Bombardier has nothing whatsoever to do with us being in or out of the single market.

It's got everything to do with leaving the single market. We were promised a special relationship with the US, and in this instance May even made a special plea directly to Trump. But Trump is an isolationist and will always put the US first, he's said as much. There will be no special arrangement which will make us very vulnerable post Brexit when we will also be in direct competition with the EU as well. The massive powers of the US and EU, as well as China etc. will dry bum hump us red raw. 

 

 

Edited September 27, 2017 by Renton

[Renton 21272]

7 minutes ago, Christmas Tree said:

 

This is nothing to do with the EU. This is Boeing trying to block a rival based in Canada and NI.

 

We do loads of trade around the world on WTO rules and the EU has zero influence.

 

 

One day the penny will drop even for you. Not that you will ever admit it. 

[Park Life 71]

Fallon says:

“This is not the behaviour we expect from Boeing and it could indeed jeopardise our future relationship with them.

“Boeing has significant defence contracts with us and still expects to win further contracts. Boeing wants and we want along term partnership but that has to be two way.

Boeing is an important investor in the United Kingdom and an important employer in the United Kingdom but we would prefer this kind of issue to be settled on a negotiated basis.

“This is not the kind of behaviour that we expect from along-term partner and I’ve made that very clear to Boeing.''

[Rayvin 5176]

Will Boeing care?

[Renton 21272]

It'll be fine. The UK will be in an ideal place to fight trade wars with the world's super powers after Brexit, right CT?

[Alex 34822]

1 hour ago, Renton said:

One day the penny will drop even for you. Not that you will ever admit it. 

Already has tbh, hence the reason he's on here for pure wummery. The more that state of things emerges the easier the chomps are

[Renton 21272]

Liked this analogy from a guardian commenter:

 

"But, it is how the US works, especially with an 'america first' president. They keep us sweet and humour us about the special relationship, but only because that makes it easier for them to get better deals that are in their interest, not ours. So, for all the misty eyed brexiters dreaming of our golden future trading freely in the world with our buddies in the US watching our back - this is the reality of the future you want for us. We'll be a one small kid in a big playground full of big kids, we might wish it were otherwise, but that will be the reality. All those big kids will look after themselves first, some will merely drive a hard bargain, some will get us in a headlock and take our lunch money, and some will pretend to be our friend so they can get us alone and give us a rogering. I've never thought the EU was that briliiant, but it was better than these alternatives."

 

 

[Alex 34822]

You only need to look at the WWII debts we only recently finished paying to the US to see how 'special' that relationship is

[Christmas Tree 4685]

1 hour ago, Renton said:

It's got everything to do with leaving the single market. We were promised a special relationship with the US, and in this instance May even made a special plea directly to Trump. But Trump is an isolationist and will always put the US first, he's said as much. There will be no special arrangement which will make us very vulnerable post Brexit when we will also be in direct competition with the EU as well. The massive powers of the US and EU, as well as China etc. will dry bum hump us red raw. 

 

 

 

I think you simply don't understand. This is a dispute between an American company and a Canadian company. Nothing EU related.

[ewerk 30242]

It's a clear indication of how the USA plans to trade with third parties. As part of the EU we have much more negotiating power than we do as a lone entity.

 

What part of that don't you get?

[Alex 34822]

FFS as plain as day and he still needs it spelling out

[Renton 21272]

6 minutes ago, Christmas Tree said:

 

I think you simply don't understand. This is a dispute between an American company and a Canadian company. Nothing EU related.

Read the playground analogy tubs, surely that's simple enough for you. 

[Dr Gloom 21811]

CT's taking the piss here, he must be

[Meenzer 15392]

He secretly knows he's sold his children down the river, he needs to get something out of the whole thing.

[Alex 34822]

Especially now cheap food isn't an option

[Christmas Tree 4685]

1 hour ago, ewerk said:

It's a clear indication of how the USA plans to trade with third parties. As part of the EU we have much more negotiating power than we do as a lone entity.

 

What part of that don't you get?

 

Before we drift too far away from what I've said  and you all go into straw man mode, how does being in the EU effect this Bombadier dispute between the USA and Canada?

 

[ewerk 30242]

That wasn't a point that anyone was making.

[Meenzer 15392]

Meanwhile, finally an analogy that Tory MPs will understand: