Europe --- In or Out

[Alex 35602]

I thought the Lib Dems were going to swoop in and save the day though? That's what I've been reading over the past week anyway.

 

I'm rather disappointed by that Labour position I have to say, but maybe the view is that they shouldn't reveal their hand before the Tories have done so. They'll have set this out with one eye on the working classes and the other on the middle classes. They're in a tough position generally.

This sort of thing highlights Corbyn's failures for me. He just isn't comfortable in the limelight and, as such, seems so reluctant when it comes to seizing the initiative.

[Rayvin 5304]

Tbh I no longer believe they are that competent.

 

Starting to agree with you but hope springs eternal and all that.

[Rayvin 5304]

This sort of thing highlights Corbyn's failures for me. He just isn't comfortable in the limelight and, as such, seems so reluctant when it comes to seizing the initiative.

 

Yep, even I'd agree with this line of reasoning, the more we see it. It's a shame but there we go. I expect he'll realise it sooner rather than later though, and will likely step aside.

[Alex 35602]

Yep, even I'd agree with this line of reasoning, the more we see it. It's a shame but there we go. I expect he'll realise it sooner rather than later though, and will likely step aside.

The government need to be called out. We need to know exactly what they plan to get out of any negotiations with the EU. The 'Brexit means Brexit' line is so utterly meaningless. You could argue that's a clever ploy. In any case, we weren't given any accurate information about what the plans were for Brexit before the referendum and we haven't been since. That's why the phrase they keep trotting out is so nebulous. Probably deliberately so but that's why they have to be taken to task over it by the opposition. Demand a coherent plan from the government then, if nothing's forthcoming, seize upon that and say what Labour intends to do instead. Playing the waiting game just buys the Tories time and playing into their hands. In other words, FUCKING DO SOMETHING!

[Dr Gloom 22184]

leaders are supposed to lead, aren't they?

[Sonatine 11570]

[Rayvin 5304]

leaders are supposed to lead, aren't they?

 

Yep, it's a shame actually that Corbyn isn't leadership material. He's demonstrated the policies that a lot of people want and will vote for, but has an inability (seemingly) to execute or even really publicise these. That said, he's experiencing a media shutout IMO, so it's difficult to put the blame on him. The Guardian for instance barely picks him up on anything at all. I can't imagine this is because he isn't saying things.

 

I'll look into it I guess, it'd be useful to know.

[Dr Gloom 22184]

if in doubt, blame the MSM

[Alex 35602]

Don't know why Jesus didn't just come himself. He's been doing nowt for 2,000 years.

[Rayvin 5304]

if in doubt, blame the MSM

 

Not blaming them per se, just noticing that previously we had wall to wall anti-Corbyn coverage, and now nothing. And I mean the Guardian anyway, not the rest of them. No idea how any of the others portray him but I imagine it isn't favourably.

 

I've agreed that Corbyn isn't doing a good job of getting his message across, surely you'd permit me an opportunity to actually look into it?

[Gemmill 46086]

David Davis and Philip Hammond met with representatives from the UK FS industry yesterday to receive their orders on how to proceed with Brexit. Now that they've been given their opinion, we might start to hear more about it.

[Meenzer 15734]

Glad to hear we'll be getting a "red, white and blue Brexit". I quite fancy a Luxembourg or a Slovakia Brexit myself. Nice castles. Or maybe a Costa Rica Brexit, they have dinosaur islands and everything.

[ewerk 31221]

Worth a read through all his posts on the article if you have time. Though most of IDS's points are so blatantly off the mark that it doesn't need a barrister to pick them apart.

 

[Rayvin 5304]

That guy is a useful commentator on these things I have to say. The thing is though, that reading that is just depressing - anyone with half a brain knows he's right, but none of that message will get through. I had a look at the DM comments and they're all full of 'ISD telling it like it is as usual' style comments.

Edited December 7, 2016 by Rayvin

[Monkeys Fist 43102]

BBC's Laura Kuenssberg named journalist of the year

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-38234579

 

[ChezGiven 0]

I thought she was biased against Corbyn. I remember watching her thinking that before i heard the furore from Corbyn supporters. Had to say they had a point. 

[Monkeys Fist 43102]

Aye, she is a tad.

[ewerk 31221]

 

 

Damn you MSM! *shakes fist*

[Rayvin 5304]

 

Very eye opening though.

[ewerk 31221]

So Jacob Rees-Still-Plays-Soggy-Biscuit-Mogg has suggested using India as a model for our environmental and safety regulations in a post-Brexit world.

[Andrew 4872]

So Jacob Rees-Still-Plays-Soggy-Biscuit-Mogg has suggested using India as a model for our environmental and safety regulations in a post-Brexit world.

 

So, cheaper train tickets if you sit on the outside?

[Meenzer 15734]

We want a red, white and blue Bhopal.

[Gemmill 46086]

So Jacob Rees-Still-Plays-Soggy-Biscuit-Mogg has suggested using India as a model for our environmental and safety regulations in a post-Brexit world.

The same India where the government is running an advertising campaign to try and shame the older generation into not shitting in public.

 

Posters with pictures of children and taglines such as:

 

“Uncle, you wear a tie around your neck, shoes on your feet, but you still defecate in the open. What kind of progress is this?”

 

"You may have a smartphone in your hand, but you still squat on train tracks.”

 

[emoji38]

 

I shit in the open you not.

 

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.washingtonpost.com/amphtml/news/worldviews/wp/2016/09/08/indias-government-is-now-shaming-people-into-using-toilets/?client=ms-android-orange-gb

[Howmanheyman 33893]

The same India where the government is running an advertising campaign to try and shame the older generation into not shitting in public.

 

Posters with pictures of children and taglines such as:

 

“Uncle, you wear a tie around your neck, shoes on your feet, but you still defecate in the open. What kind of progress is this?”

 

"You may have a smartphone in your hand, but you still squat on train tracks.”

 

[emoji38]

 

I shit in the open you not.

 

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.washingtonpost.com/amphtml/news/worldviews/wp/2016/09/08/indias-government-is-now-shaming-people-into-using-toilets/?client=ms-android-orange-gb

As long as there's plenty of Dock leaves this shouldn't be a problem, tbh.

 

 

 

 

 

[Gemmill 46086]

"You're extending your house, and yet the neighbours can see you defecate in the foundations. How can you call this progress?"