Christmas Tree 4725 Posted June 10, 2016 Author Share Posted June 10, 2016 Even good old Dennis Skinner has come out for Brexit today. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gemmill 44805 Posted June 10, 2016 Share Posted June 10, 2016 He's got fucking dementia, hasn't he? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christmas Tree 4725 Posted June 10, 2016 Author Share Posted June 10, 2016 And I'm know I'm getting on a bit, but WTF!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gemmill 44805 Posted June 10, 2016 Share Posted June 10, 2016 [emoji38] Francine Spencer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christmas Tree 4725 Posted June 10, 2016 Author Share Posted June 10, 2016 BTW, for anyone genuinely interested, Newsnight have 6 EU special programs on Iplayer that are very good, particularly at cutting through some of the bullshit on both sides. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christmas Tree 4725 Posted June 10, 2016 Author Share Posted June 10, 2016 [emoji38] Francine Spencer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gemmill 44805 Posted June 10, 2016 Share Posted June 10, 2016 Well you obviously haven't watched them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rayvin 5217 Posted June 10, 2016 Share Posted June 10, 2016 Schauble has come out today and said that we won't be able to join the free market if we vote out. Shouldn't that point be enough? Given that Leave is adamant that we will, and now we're being told that we wouldn't be able to. That's it. Game over man, game over. If we vote out, we're fucking out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewerk 30557 Posted June 10, 2016 Share Posted June 10, 2016 Even good old Dennis Skinner has come out for Brexit today. It was hardly a shock, he's always been anti-EU, hasn't he? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewerk 30557 Posted June 10, 2016 Share Posted June 10, 2016 And I'm know I'm getting on a bit, but WTF!!! Aye, transvestites tends to look worse the older they get. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gemmill 44805 Posted June 10, 2016 Share Posted June 10, 2016 Schauble has come out today and said that we won't be able to join the free market if we vote out. Shouldn't that point be enough? Given that Leave is adamant that we will, and now we're being told that we wouldn't be able to. That's it. Game over man, game over. If we vote out, we're fucking out. He's a proper little shit that Schäuble. No wonder someone tried to kill him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christmas Tree 4725 Posted June 10, 2016 Author Share Posted June 10, 2016 Schauble has come out today and said that we won't be able to join the free market if we vote out. Shouldn't that point be enough? Given that Leave is adamant that we will, and now we're being told that we wouldn't be able to. That's it. Game over man, game over. If we vote out, we're fucking out. Calm down man This is just more scare tactics. Trade will continue and it's highly unlikely that Germans will want to start slapping tariffs on all those shiney cars they export here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex 35062 Posted June 10, 2016 Share Posted June 10, 2016 We need to make Britain Great again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renton 21579 Posted June 10, 2016 Share Posted June 10, 2016 I honestly can't believe the naivety that somehow we can get the benefits of the single market without the responsibilities. Of course we fucking can't and nor should we. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex 35062 Posted June 10, 2016 Share Posted June 10, 2016 No Renton, we need to take back our sovereignty and control our borders Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rayvin 5217 Posted June 10, 2016 Share Posted June 10, 2016 (edited) To be fair, the Germans said a lot of nice things about us in that article. All he said on the single market is that the EU would have to respect our sovereignty, and that we would have chosen to reject both the EU and single market together. So we would be choosing to exit it, not them expelling us. This is going to be a total disaster isn't it... Edited June 10, 2016 by Rayvin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christmas Tree 4725 Posted June 10, 2016 Author Share Posted June 10, 2016 To be fair, the Germans said a lot of nice things about us in that article. Indeed “Germany has always looked across the Channel with some degree of envy,” Don't we know it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renton 21579 Posted June 10, 2016 Share Posted June 10, 2016 To be fair, the Germans said a lot of nice things about us in that article. All he said on the single market is that the EU would have to respect our sovereignty, and that we would have chosen to reject both the EU and single market together. So we would be choosing to exit it, not them expelling us. This is going to be a total disaster isn't it... In the event of Brexit, I think it's going to be horrible domestically and also for Europe. It'll be a vindication of the right wing of the Tory party for a start, that prospect alone terrifies me along with Farage's unbearable smugness. Short term economically the pound will collapse and there will be a huge jump in unemployment. Long term we are going to be economically severely disadvantaged. All because of CMD's desperation for power at any price. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NJS 4377 Posted June 10, 2016 Share Posted June 10, 2016 Hate to say it but working class voters who don't understand the intricacies of trade and economics and are being swayed by the immigration arguments look like swaying it at the moment. Sent from my ONE A2003 using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renton 21579 Posted June 10, 2016 Share Posted June 10, 2016 It's too close to call. However, couple of things are giving me hope. Firstly, the late surge in voting applications and hopefully the message is getting out to lazy, young, remainers. And secondly, the bookies are still confident of remain despite the majority of betting going on Brexit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renton 21579 Posted June 10, 2016 Share Posted June 10, 2016 Difficult to know what to do for holiday currency as well. Some have predicted the pound will fall to less than the value of the Euro after Brexit. On the hand, if remain wins it will increase in strength by double digits. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christmas Tree 4725 Posted June 10, 2016 Author Share Posted June 10, 2016 Hate to say it but working class voters who don't understand the intricacies of trade and economics and are being swayed by the immigration arguments look like swaying it at the moment. Sent from my ONE A2003 using Tapatalk It could also be a repeat of the Scottish referendum where the leavers did the most shouting, but the stays ramped the scaremongering up in the last two week and won. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rayvin 5217 Posted June 10, 2016 Share Posted June 10, 2016 The fateful day when Gordon Brown of all people saved the Union... bizarre stuff. The thing is though, it's hard to blame a lot of the Brexiters - clearly they aren't all raving, racist loonies - the people to blame here are ultimately the fucking government. Why did we need to do this? If they weren't trying to score petty political points, this never would have happened. People aren't well informed enough to vote on shit like this - I would argue by design. And frankly, I would include myself in that. Normally this works out for the political elite as they can manipulate people into basically anything. Except this time when they've woefully underestimated how badly the general public want to give someone in the establishment, anyone, an absolute kicking. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewerk 30557 Posted June 10, 2016 Share Posted June 10, 2016 It could also be a repeat of the Scottish referendum where the leavers did the most shouting, but the stays ramped the scaremongering up in the last two week and won. Aye, it's remain that's doing the scaremongering. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renton 21579 Posted June 10, 2016 Share Posted June 10, 2016 The fateful day when Gordon Brown of all people saved the Union... bizarre stuff. The thing is though, it's hard to blame a lot of the Brexiters - clearly they aren't all raving, racist loonies - the people to blame here are ultimately the fucking government. Why did we need to do this? If they weren't trying to score petty political points, this never would have happened. People aren't well informed enough to vote on shit like this - I would argue by design. And frankly, I would include myself in that. Normally this works out for the political elite as they can manipulate people into basically anything. Except this time when they've woefully underestimated how badly the general public want to give someone in the establishment, anyone, an absolute kicking. We have never, and shout never, be a plebiscite democracy, if you want to know why, look at the CTs of this world, and tbf to CT, he's at least engaged in the debate. You can add the Rentons of this world too before CT starts wailing. Normal people simply do not have the ability to make this kind of decision for themselves and even if they do, they tend to vote for self interest motivations (especially the older generation). That's why we elect governments to GOVERN us, it's their job. In the absence of government to make decisions, my personal instinct is to look for experts to guide us. They are virtually unanimous we should stay in but for reasons touched on in your post, it appears about half the plebs would rather trust NIGEL fucking FARAGE than the establishment. Unbelievable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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