Europe --- In or Out

[Gemmill 46065]

Farage's tache. [emoji38] a great answer to the question "how could Nigel Farage possibly look like more of a cunt?"

[Dr Gloom 22177]

i was just about to post the same thing. what a gimp

[Alex 35595]

He's got some front accusing anyone else of acting in a despicable manner. And for sporting that 'tache

[Rayvin 5302]

Press the button I believe.

Wow, that'd be good news. Wonder how they'd get away with it though...

[ewerk 31218]

Surely it'd be too close to the GE to have that process ongoing?

[Rayvin 5302]

Unless she is actually about to call one.

[Alex 35595]

Just checked and it's actually leaving then. Plenty of scope to come up with excuses for delaying it further though I would imagine.

[Rayvin 5302]

Ah ok - but yeah fair enough, still gives us another year before it all falls apart.

[Gemmill 46065]

Another year of apologising to colleagues for you.

[Rayvin 5302]

 

That whole episode was brutal man.

 

Although it's possible - just possible - that I got a bit carried away.

[Meenzer 15731]

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/sep/03/margaret-thatcher-would-not-have-supported-brexit

 

He couldn't have mentioned this, ooh, three months ago?

[Monkeys Fist 43089]

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/sep/03/margaret-thatcher-would-not-have-supported-brexit

 

He couldn't have mentioned this, ooh, three months ago?

 

She never had any truck with referendums"

There's a revelation.

[Rob W 0]

She can only call an election if she loses a vote of no confidence - otherwise it's 5 years... she could get her side to vote for a motion of no confidence but it wouldn't take many defections before the oppoistion could claim they have every confidence in the world in her Govt - please carry on........................

[Dr Gloom 22177]

The Japanese government has warned that its companies will leave the UK if Brexit goes ahead without tariff-free access to the single market. So, say sayonara to: Nissan, Honda, Nomura, Hitachi and others when they eventually decamp for the continent, taking 140,000 jobs with them, and remember to thank Brexit voters when they do.

 

http://www.bbc.com/news/business-37270372

[Monkeys Fist 43089]

The Japanese government has warned that its companies will leave the UK if Brexit goes ahead without tariff-free access to the single market. So, say sayonara to: Nissan, Honda, Nomura, Hitachi and others when they eventually decamp for the continent, taking 140,000 jobs with them, and remember to thank Brexit voters when they do.

 

http://www.bbc.com/news/business-37270372

[PaddockLad 17665]

The Japanese government has warned that its companies will leave the UK if Brexit goes ahead without tariff-free access to the single market. So, say sayonara to: Nissan, Honda, Nomura, Hitachi and others when they eventually decamp for the continent, taking 140,000 jobs with them, and remember to thank Brexit voters when they do.

 

http://www.bbc.com/news/business-37270372

 

Am not saying thats not going to happen to one extent or another, but is this a case of just beleiveing what you want to beleive?  Got to say taking anything to do with Brexit at face value is allowing yourself to be manipulated by propaganda. That goes for the largely positive stuff being spun by the other side too. No one has a fuckin clue whats going to happen iyam. I have a feeling much of it wont be good, but thats assuming theres some sort of functioning EU left after 2020. If France vote Le Pen in as President all bets are off, shes taking them out of the EU too. That leaves Germany propping up the rest of Europe on its own even more than it does now. What sort of EU will that be? What will the Japanese maufacturers do then?

 

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/sep/03/rural-france-pledges-to-vote-for-le-pen-president

[ChezGiven 0]

That isn't even propaganda from the Japanese govt though PL. I take your point and agree when it comes to domestic interests but the Japanese govt doesn't care about our interests only theirs. They are trying to influence how we negotiate the exit and protecting their interests, I think in this case their statements carry significant weight.

 

With regard to Le Pen and others in Europe who may wish to drive a similar agenda in their own country, Mario Monti made an excellent point on Radio 4 earlier today. Those politicians will look at what happened to David Cameron and other 'Brexit' politicians as a warning to what happens to those who are seen as responsible for pushing their own countries to exit the union. As his political life is now over, Le Pen and others may think twice about being the architects of their own exits. A salient political point from an experienced European politician.

[Park Life 71]

Mario Monte.

 

Is this the same Goldman Sachs, Coca Cola, ECB, Bilderberg - apparatchik who has a disdain for national sovereignty?

[ChezGiven 0]

Mario Monte.

 

Is this the same Goldman Sachs, Coca Cola, ECB, Bilderberg - apparatchik who has a disdain for national sovereignty?

No Mario Monti, not the hill in Rome

 

He is trying to instill fear in the exiters of course but the point remains valid to anyone versed in the rules of politics.

[Park Life 71]

No Mario Monti, not the hill in Rome

 

He is trying to instill fear in the exiters of course but the point remains valid to anyone versed in the rules of politics.

We're entering a new phase. Career politicians v nutters.

 

Nutters won in the UK and are coming up on the rails in France, Italy (five star movement) and of course the U.S.

Edited September 4, 2016 by Park Life

[PaddockLad 17665]

That isn't even propaganda from the Japanese govt though PL. I take your point and agree when it comes to domestic interests but the Japanese govt doesn't care about our interests only theirs. They are trying to influence how we negotiate the exit and protecting their interests, I think in this case their statements carry significant weight.

 

With regard to Le Pen and others in Europe who may wish to drive a similar agenda in their own country, Mario Monti made an excellent point on Radio 4 earlier today. Those politicians will look at what happened to David Cameron and other 'Brexit' politicians as a warning to what happens to those who are seen as responsible for pushing their own countries to exit the union. As his political life is now over, Le Pen and others may think twice about being the architects of their own exits. A salient political point from an experienced European politician.

 

Yeah the Japanese are firing warning shots about a battle in which nobody can accurately tell when the first rounds of real artillery will start to drop, where the battle ground will be, or who will actualy be doing the fighting, all they know a few bombs may drop on their lawn and they want to influence all these factors to prevent something nasty blowing up in their faces. To me it doesnt mean a thing until Teresa Fuckwit presses the article 50 button and then the Japanese will have to weigh up the cost relocating all their European HQ's in what,economically, could well be a basket case of a continent that they will still want to sell cars and TVs in.

 

Agree with Parky about Le Pen etc...all bets are off. As of June 23rd 2016 its like a political year zero in Europe....

 

[Park Life 71]

As I was saying...

 

AfD, by contrast, continued a remarkable streak of electoral victories at regional level. Three years after being founded on an anti-euro ticket in 2013, it is now represented in nine state parliaments. Its co-leader, Frauke Petry, described Sunday’s result as a blow to Angela Merkel. “Now it is our responsibility to make politics for the people. The people no longer trust the old establishment parties to do so,” Petry said."

 

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/sep/04/mecklenburg-vorpommern-german-anti-immigrant-party-strong-regional-election-exit-polls-merkel

 

The new right in Germany...

 

 

'But any attempts she makes to dismiss the far-right labels might seem hollow after the party’s recent announcement of a European alliance with the FPÖ. “True, our meeting with the FPÖ could be seen as moving the party to the right, but on the other hand the FPÖ is something you just cannot ignore from a German point of view because it’s so near in terms of language and political structure – it would be stupid not to talk to each other. We found similar characteristics with other parties, whether the Danish People’s party, the Swiss People’s party, the Sweden Democrats, the True Finns, also the Front National,” she says.

 

Edited September 5, 2016 by Park Life

[Alex 35595]

There was a mention on the news this morning about May not promising the points system that was supposedly one of the key promises of the Brexit campaign but how could they promise anything anyway when none of them were in a position to be able to deliver?

[Christmas Tree 4840]

Solid manufacturing pmi's last month now followed by strong service pmi's

[Alex 35595]

We haven't even started to leave yet though