Renton 21636 Posted September 24, 2021 Share Posted September 24, 2021 1 minute ago, Isegrim said: I don’t think any country has benefited. There would also be little resistance bar some posturing against the UK to rejoin, but it would have to be without rebates this time. Nobody's benefited from the sheer waste of energy from the protracted negotiations leading to the shite deal we got. And the EU has lost our subs money, but that's quite trivial (and you're getting a 38 billion euro lump sum!). But EU countries can currently export to the UK unhindered without this being reciprocated. So your export market is unhindered, and you import less from us so can switch to EU suppliers which is a net benefit. Also there has been a flow of financial jobs to the EU. But most importantly, from the EU's perspective, I don't know why you would want such a difficult partner to part of the union, we most certainly held it back and will continue to do so, I will never forget the embarrassment of those UKIP MEPs on the last sitting they were in. It just makes much more sense for us to be in a close economic relationship but be divorced politically. Those clearly aren't independent of each other of course and we also need to be in a security partnership. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Gloom 21941 Posted September 24, 2021 Share Posted September 24, 2021 1 hour ago, Isegrim said: I don’t think any country has benefited. There would also be little resistance bar some posturing against the UK to rejoin, but it would have to be without rebates this time. the great irony of all of this: we literally had the best deal of any member state 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renton 21636 Posted September 24, 2021 Share Posted September 24, 2021 3 minutes ago, Dr Gloom said: the great irony of all of this: we literally had the best deal of any member state Yep, also literally were the most influential member state along with France and Germany. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Gloom 21941 Posted September 24, 2021 Share Posted September 24, 2021 reverse ferret! the thing about johnson and his unprincipled stand is is he never believed in brexit in the first place and will have no problem performing u-turns when thing inevitably go tit up Boris Johnson agrees to relax visa rules for foreign truck drivers https://www.ft.com/content/8335166f-9019-471b-9cbf-d7554c3b40b2 Boris Johnson has given the go-ahead to ministers to relax UK immigration rules to allow more foreign truck drivers into the country to ease shortages at petrol stations and wider economic disruption. One person close to the situation said the prime minister had issued instructions to fix the escalating problem. “Boris wants this solved,” he said. Meanwhile an ally of Johnson said: “Boris is completely fed up with bad headlines on this and wants it sorted and doesn’t care about visa limits any more.” Home secretary Priti Patel was previously the strongest opponent of giving temporary visas to foreign HGV drivers, arguing it would lead to a stampede of different industries demanding similar preferential treatment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renton 21636 Posted September 24, 2021 Share Posted September 24, 2021 11 minutes ago, Dr Gloom said: reverse ferret! the thing about johnson and his unprincipled stand is is he never believed in brexit in the first place and will have no problem performing u-turns when thing inevitably go tit up Boris Johnson agrees to relax visa rules for foreign truck drivers https://www.ft.com/content/8335166f-9019-471b-9cbf-d7554c3b40b2 Boris Johnson has given the go-ahead to ministers to relax UK immigration rules to allow more foreign truck drivers into the country to ease shortages at petrol stations and wider economic disruption. One person close to the situation said the prime minister had issued instructions to fix the escalating problem. “Boris wants this solved,” he said. Meanwhile an ally of Johnson said: “Boris is completely fed up with bad headlines on this and wants it sorted and doesn’t care about visa limits any more.” Home secretary Priti Patel was previously the strongest opponent of giving temporary visas to foreign HGV drivers, arguing it would lead to a stampede of different industries demanding similar preferential treatment. Will they want to come? There's a shortage in Europe so they are in demand, will have to pay them a hefty wedge I would imagine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gemmill 44935 Posted September 24, 2021 Share Posted September 24, 2021 The ones with bulldog spirit will come. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobinRobin 11282 Posted September 25, 2021 Share Posted September 25, 2021 13 hours ago, Gemmill said: The ones with bulldog spirit will come. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trooper 940 Posted September 25, 2021 Share Posted September 25, 2021 (edited) https://www.chroniclelive.co.uk/news/uk-news/drivers-hit-30-fuel-limit-21674438 https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10027411/Selfish-drivers-pack-cars-jerry-cans-tanks-brim.html Edited September 25, 2021 by trooper Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renton 21636 Posted September 25, 2021 Share Posted September 25, 2021 Carnage at Morrisons Whitley Bay this morning. Massive queue of cars for fuel which due to the layout was blocking cars just going to the supermarket, which I was. When I got in I was greeted by masses of empty shelves or shelves faced over with random stock. About 20% of the stuff I needed was out 9f stock and noticeably less choice of brands or flavours etc l. First World problems I guess, but then I thought we actually lived in the first world? I'm increasingly not so sure. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renton 21636 Posted September 25, 2021 Share Posted September 25, 2021 2 hours ago, trooper said: https://www.chroniclelive.co.uk/news/uk-news/drivers-hit-30-fuel-limit-21674438 https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10027411/Selfish-drivers-pack-cars-jerry-cans-tanks-brim.html That fuel cap article is interesting, suggests there are genuine shortages beyond logistical at the user end. Last time we had this, iirc, there was a minimum spend applied to stop people topping up and creating unnecessary traffic issues. Now they are implementing a maximum spend, it suggests really serious issues relating to shortages. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trooper 940 Posted September 25, 2021 Share Posted September 25, 2021 (edited) This from BBC 25 minutes ago The Road Haulage Association estimated the UK is short of about 100,000 HGV drivers - with existing shortages made worse by a number of factors, including the pandemic and Brexit. It is understood that about 5,000 temporary visas could be issued. Its still a massive short fall of drivers even if all 5,000 are employed Edited September 25, 2021 by trooper Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex 35095 Posted September 25, 2021 Share Posted September 25, 2021 Filled up yesterday morning. #Smug Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex 35095 Posted September 25, 2021 Share Posted September 25, 2021 14 minutes ago, trooper said: This from BBC 25 minutes ago The Road Haulage Association estimated the UK is short of about 100,000 HGV drivers - with existing shortages made worse by a number of factors, including the pandemic and Brexit. It is understood that about 5,000 temporary visas could be issued. Its still a massive short fall of drivers even if all 5,000 are employed But under new plans there could be 300 new drivers qualifying every week Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trooper 940 Posted September 25, 2021 Share Posted September 25, 2021 6 minutes ago, Alex said: But under new plans there could be 300 new drivers qualifying every week At that rate it'll only take about 6 years to fill the shortfall 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sonatine 11393 Posted September 25, 2021 Share Posted September 25, 2021 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renton 21636 Posted September 25, 2021 Share Posted September 25, 2021 Took me a while that. Thought this response to the tweet was funny too. Boko Haram story was covered by the BBC by Nick Childs. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trooper 940 Posted September 25, 2021 Share Posted September 25, 2021 Just think if this keeps going with the petrol. Boris will be stealthly putting the country in Lockdown Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monkeys Fist 42459 Posted September 25, 2021 Share Posted September 25, 2021 I’ve just filled up in Heaton, took 5 minutes. BAU Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Isegrim 9798 Posted September 25, 2021 Share Posted September 25, 2021 3 hours ago, Monkeys Fist said: I’ve just filled up in Heaton, took 5 minutes. BAU Good to heat that the adult stores don’t have any supply issues. Did you get petrol though? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trooper 940 Posted September 25, 2021 Share Posted September 25, 2021 (edited) Well this has escalated. Sainsburys in Cramlington have no petrol neither do BP & Shell at Annitsford. Co op garage must have some but the queues are ridiculous Edited September 25, 2021 by trooper Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex 35095 Posted September 25, 2021 Share Posted September 25, 2021 Asda Benton has none either #BAU Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trooper 940 Posted September 25, 2021 Share Posted September 25, 2021 (edited) If this carries on for another couple of days everything will start grinding to a halt Edited September 25, 2021 by trooper Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobinRobin 11282 Posted September 26, 2021 Share Posted September 26, 2021 10 hours ago, trooper said: If this carries on for another couple of days everything will start grindi .... Brexited YP Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gemmill 44935 Posted September 26, 2021 Share Posted September 26, 2021 Short, accurate thread. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renton 21636 Posted September 26, 2021 Share Posted September 26, 2021 Ian Duncan Smith calls them "low value" people. They really are scum. The tories I mean, not EU workers https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/uk-politics-39852464 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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