Isegrim 9741 Posted February 27, 2020 Share Posted February 27, 2020 3 hours ago, Renton said: Doesn't access to EU databases ultimately require ECJ supervision? Can't be having any of that foreign nonsense now can we? Otherwise supervision of extradition requests to transfer criminals to the UK will be solely down to foreign courts. There is no benefit to this. I do make us of the European arrest warrant several times every year and it does make things a lot easier. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Howmanheyman 32887 Posted February 27, 2020 Share Posted February 27, 2020 1 hour ago, Isegrim said: Otherwise supervision of extradition requests to transfer criminals to the UK will be solely down to foreign courts. There is no benefit to this. I do make us of the European arrest warrant several times every year and it does make things a lot easier. Isegrim's a Euro cop, eh? Here he is with his partner, and also his lover..... 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Gloom 21868 Posted February 27, 2020 Share Posted February 27, 2020 50,000 new form fillers. Who said Brexit wouldn’t boost employment? It’s giving birth to new growth industries Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Isegrim 9741 Posted February 27, 2020 Share Posted February 27, 2020 2 hours ago, Howmanheyman said: Isegrim's a Euro cop, eh? Here he is with his partner, and also his lover..... I am neither that good looking nor a cop. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Isegrim 9741 Posted February 27, 2020 Share Posted February 27, 2020 48 minutes ago, Dr Gloom said: 50,000 new form fillers. Who said Brexit wouldn’t boost employment? It’s giving birth to new growth industries When I worked for a law firm in Birmingham the first thing I was told was that if I ever thought German bureaucracy was bad I would be in for a shock... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Howmanheyman 32887 Posted February 28, 2020 Share Posted February 28, 2020 51 minutes ago, Isegrim said: I am neither that good looking nor a cop. Well that's one fantasy fucked. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renton 21429 Posted February 28, 2020 Share Posted February 28, 2020 8 hours ago, Howmanheyman said: Well that's one fantasy fucked. Well if a German judge doesn't do it for you what will? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meenzer 15466 Posted February 28, 2020 Share Posted February 28, 2020 That's that all sorted, then Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rayvin 5188 Posted February 28, 2020 Share Posted February 28, 2020 Devil's advocate - have the EU actually done what he says? I actually think they might have. It's only recently that this stuff about the UK being different to Canada because it's 'a competitor on their doorstep' has entered the conversation. Now yes, obviously, we saw this coming - they have to protect their own interests, etc etc. Fine, no problem with that - but they have undeniably changed their position even so. Which is giving right wing rags like the Telegraph ammunition. I wonder if, by the end of this, the gutter press will have turned the whole country against the EU. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewerk 30393 Posted February 28, 2020 Share Posted February 28, 2020 They always had the caveat that the staircase diagram was for illustrative purposes only but they were always after a LPF commitment which is why it's in the PD. It's not conceivable that there will be a trade deal struck without LPF agreements. I think it's going to come down to whether the restrictions are dynamic or non-regressive and who adjudicates on any disputes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rayvin 5188 Posted February 28, 2020 Share Posted February 28, 2020 Fair enough then. Obviously we can't let the ECJ handle any disputes (for many well thought out and robust reasons), so that's presumably no deal for us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meenzer 15466 Posted February 28, 2020 Share Posted February 28, 2020 43 minutes ago, Rayvin said: I wonder if, by the end of this, the gutter press will have turned the whole country against the EU. Of course they will have (tried, at least) - it's always been the long game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewerk 30393 Posted February 28, 2020 Share Posted February 28, 2020 31 minutes ago, Rayvin said: Fair enough then. Obviously we can't let the ECJ handle any disputes (for many well thought out and robust reasons), so that's presumably no deal for us. There's nothing to say that disputes have to be handled by the ECJ. A new trade dispute resolution body can be established. Who sits on the panel though will be an area of disagreement. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renton 21429 Posted February 28, 2020 Share Posted February 28, 2020 59 minutes ago, Rayvin said: Devil's advocate - have the EU actually done what he says? I actually think they might have. It's only recently that this stuff about the UK being different to Canada because it's 'a competitor on their doorstep' has entered the conversation. Now yes, obviously, we saw this coming - they have to protect their own interests, etc etc. Fine, no problem with that - but they have undeniably changed their position even so. Which is giving right wing rags like the Telegraph ammunition. I wonder if, by the end of this, the gutter press will have turned the whole country against the EU. As ewerk says, I dont think a Canada no strings attached was ever offered. For obvious reasons, see the graph below. 9f course even with a LPF there will still be friction so this type of FTA is no good for us. Also, I might be wrong, but I'm pretty sure Hannan was an advocate of staying in the EEA. He's gone from that to no deal? Who's changing the goal posts in reality here? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewerk 30393 Posted March 2, 2020 Share Posted March 2, 2020 It may cost 10,000,000 lives but by god it’s a price worth paying for sovereignty. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewerk 30393 Posted March 2, 2020 Share Posted March 2, 2020 Oops, I forgot the 0.2% of GDP. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Gloom 21868 Posted March 2, 2020 Share Posted March 2, 2020 the brexit dividend Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewerk 30393 Posted March 2, 2020 Share Posted March 2, 2020 Cracking. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheGingerQuiff 2412 Posted March 2, 2020 Share Posted March 2, 2020 Coronavirus is the brexiteer purge we all prayed for. Gemmill being collateral is sad for the forum but tdansmith is back now Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gemmill 44556 Posted March 2, 2020 Share Posted March 2, 2020 That thing cannot kill me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monkeys Fist 42188 Posted March 2, 2020 Share Posted March 2, 2020 1 hour ago, Gemmill said: That thing cannot kill me. That’s no way to speak about TDanSmith. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renton 21429 Posted March 5, 2020 Share Posted March 5, 2020 The government is refusing to guarantee remaining in the ECHR, whose signatories include literally every other country in Europe including Russia and Turkey. This is extremely worrying on the direction we are heading, one without fundamentalhuman rights seemingly. It will make any trade deals with the EU nigh on impossible and will further undermine the GFA. It should be headline news but instead will hardly make copy I bet. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaddockLad 17151 Posted March 5, 2020 Share Posted March 5, 2020 (edited) 2 hours ago, Renton said: The government is refusing to guarantee remaining in the ECHR, whose signatories include literally every other country in Europe including Russia and Turkey. This is extremely worrying on the direction we are heading, one without fundamentalhuman rights seemingly. It will make any trade deals with the EU nigh on impossible and will further undermine the GFA. It should be headline news but instead will hardly make copy I bet. The likes of the ERG have completely won if that’s the position. 50 or so swivel eyed loons. It’s scarcely believable how far backwards we’re going. Edited March 5, 2020 by PaddockLad Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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