ewerk 30266 Posted September 5, 2019 Share Posted September 5, 2019 2 minutes ago, NJS said: Cable is a corrupt bastard who made money out of privatising royal mail. I think it was you who was quite annoyed about the privatisation at the time. Have you changed your mind any since? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NJS 4371 Posted September 5, 2019 Share Posted September 5, 2019 1 minute ago, Rayvin said: Swinson delivered a very good anti-Boris speech yesterday, I was impressed with it. Having said this, beyond her Brexit position I have no idea what she even stands for. I would love to hear her articulate which of Corbyn's policy positions she objects to though. She wrote an article in the sun demanding a national statue to Thatcher. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rayvin 5185 Posted September 5, 2019 Share Posted September 5, 2019 Just now, NJS said: She wrote an article in the sun demanding a national statue to Thatcher. Are you fucking serious? At some point in the future, Labour are going to fucking obliterate her with that Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NJS 4371 Posted September 5, 2019 Share Posted September 5, 2019 1 minute ago, ewerk said: I think it was you who was quite annoyed about the privatisation at the time. Have you changed your mind any since? I object to all privatisations. When the people in charge of it are as directly involved with the firms appointed like Osborne and Cable it adds an extra edge. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renton 21314 Posted September 5, 2019 Share Posted September 5, 2019 2 minutes ago, NJS said: She wrote an article in the sun demanding a national statue to Thatcher. I think you are twisting things somewhat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rayvin 5185 Posted September 5, 2019 Share Posted September 5, 2019 Tbf, if it was one of those "she's a woman and it's important to have a statue of her to inspire young girls, etc" kind of articles then I think that's forgivable. If it was advocacy of her politics and the "good" she did for the country, then I find it repellent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renton 21314 Posted September 5, 2019 Share Posted September 5, 2019 2 minutes ago, Rayvin said: Are you fucking serious? At some point in the future, Labour are going to fucking obliterate her with that She made a point that all major political figures should be commemorated, and Thatcher fits this bill regardless of politics. Also the first female PM of course. I don't necessarily agree but I see her point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewerk 30266 Posted September 5, 2019 Share Posted September 5, 2019 Quote "Parliament, in common with our town halls, city centres and public spaces, is packed with memorials to men," she said. "Eleven monuments of men loom large around Parliament Square - there's not a single woman." While Ms Swinson said she did not agree with much of the late PM's policies, she "was our first female Prime Minister and the longest-serving Premier of the 20th Century. "Thatcher gave her name to a distinct ideology which changed the course of the country, even if I now spend much time trying to find policy solutions to change the unethical corporate behaviour that Thatcherism unleashed." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NJS 4371 Posted September 5, 2019 Share Posted September 5, 2019 https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2018/03/04/lib-dem-deputy-leader-jo-swinson-backs-calls-margaret-thatcher/ She posited in feminist terms of course. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renton 21314 Posted September 5, 2019 Share Posted September 5, 2019 Certainly fuck all to get upset about in today's politics. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rayvin 5185 Posted September 5, 2019 Share Posted September 5, 2019 (edited) I mean, that doesn't seem particularly objectionable on the face of it. Some people value gender identity as more important than the merits of individual human beings. It's just how society is. And I don't agree it should be like that, but as has been said, this is the world we live in. Edited September 5, 2019 by Rayvin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NJS 4371 Posted September 5, 2019 Share Posted September 5, 2019 She's over-proud of her role in austerity though which is very relevant to brexit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renton 21314 Posted September 5, 2019 Share Posted September 5, 2019 Just put it somewhere public where it can be defaced. Who gives a ahit? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NJS 4371 Posted September 5, 2019 Share Posted September 5, 2019 I think it's the failure to recognise her legacy that grates - especially for women. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rayvin 5185 Posted September 5, 2019 Share Posted September 5, 2019 2 minutes ago, NJS said: She's over-proud of her role in austerity though which is very relevant to brexit. I'm not a Swinson advocate on anything other than Brexit, but I am curious how anyone can possibly be "proud" of the utter shitshow that austerity has proven to be. If nothing else it demonstrates a fundamental misunderstanding of what the fuck has actually happened in the past 5 years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaddockLad 17079 Posted September 5, 2019 Share Posted September 5, 2019 1 hour ago, Renton said: Key to this is making Johnson miss his deadline, the BP will split the Tory vote in two and they are finished. Looking at the distribution of marginal seats the Tories are much more vulnerable than you might think. I'm optimistic, but still can't help think what a non Corbyn led Labour party could have done. Depends what Farage's game is...he can't deliver Brexit by a mass vote for his party in a GE. Johnson can though. That's his key card I think. Talk of "punishing" the Tories loses sight of the goal and is pretty fuckin pointless. A GE victory gives Johnson the mandate to bomb us out without a deal, "THATS WHAT THE PEOPLE VOTED FOR!!" Its isn't a "people's vote" as such, but to all intents and purposes it fuckin well is, which will mean Johnson will have no problem getting the entire leave vote out with nobs on. This week has been a lot worse than he and Cummings thought it would be but in the long run its not been disastrous. Far from game over iyam. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renton 21314 Posted September 5, 2019 Share Posted September 5, 2019 3 minutes ago, PaddockLad said: Depends what Farage's game is...he can't deliver Brexit by a mass vote for his party in a GE. Johnson can though. That's his key card I think. Talk of "punishing" the Tories loses sight of the goal and is pretty fuckin pointless. A GE victory gives Johnson the mandate to bomb us out without a deal, "THATS WHAT THE PEOPLE VOTED FOR!!" Its isn't a "people's vote" as such, but to all intents and purposes it fuckin well is, which will mean Johnson will have no problem getting the entire leave vote out with nobs on. This week has been a lot worse than he and Cummings thought it would be but in the long run its not been disastrous. Far from game over iyam. A GE isn't a referendum though. There is plenty of analysis which suggests going on a no deal platform will alienate more people in key marginals than he will gain. Plus he's turning out to be a shit performer, gives the impression he is losing it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rayvin 5185 Posted September 5, 2019 Share Posted September 5, 2019 7 minutes ago, PaddockLad said: Depends what Farage's game is...he can't deliver Brexit by a mass vote for his party in a GE. Johnson can though. That's his key card I think. Talk of "punishing" the Tories loses sight of the goal and is pretty fuckin pointless. A GE victory gives Johnson the mandate to bomb us out without a deal, "THATS WHAT THE PEOPLE VOTED FOR!!" Its isn't a "people's vote" as such, but to all intents and purposes it fuckin well is, which will mean Johnson will have no problem getting the entire leave vote out with nobs on. This week has been a lot worse than he and Cummings thought it would be but in the long run its not been disastrous. Far from game over iyam. From the Daily Mail comment section - just one comment, sure, but still: After witnessing the shenanigans of the last 3 years I won't put my trust in the Tory party unless we leave the EU first. I have no faith left and the votes in Parliament to stop Brexit will continue. I would advise the 17.4 million who voted leave to give their vote to Nigel Farage. He hasn't wavered in his wish to leave the EU. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaddockLad 17079 Posted September 5, 2019 Share Posted September 5, 2019 (edited) 11 minutes ago, Renton said: A GE isn't a referendum though. There is plenty of analysis which suggests going on a no deal platform will alienate more people in key marginals than he will gain. Plus he's turning out to be a shit performer, gives the impression he is losing it. Well it’s like the majority (basically Labour & the more sentinent of the tories)in the commons saying they’d like to leave with a deal when they plainly don’t, they want to bin Brexit, but they’ve got to say it. Johnson has to say the same. He’s lied through his teeth his entire career and got away with it. I don’t see it changing because he’s telling his public precisely what they want to hear and no one of any consequence in the media or at Westminster either wants to or is able to lay a fuckin glove on him for it because his public are desperate to have Leave’s myths perpetuated. It’s the world against them. This week will soon be forgotten by these twats. Edited September 5, 2019 by PaddockLad Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaddockLad 17079 Posted September 5, 2019 Share Posted September 5, 2019 (edited) 13 minutes ago, Rayvin said: From the Daily Mail comment section - just one comment, sure, but still: After witnessing the shenanigans of the last 3 years I won't put my trust in the Tory party unless we leave the EU first. I have no faith left and the votes in Parliament to stop Brexit will continue. I would advise the 17.4 million who voted leave to give their vote to Nigel Farage. He hasn't wavered in his wish to leave the EU. Well if I’ve read this wrong that’s fair enough but I can’t see a gammon vote alone delivering Brexit. The votes in in parliament are only being lost because of arithmetic. The 23 sackings will be replaced with no dealers. If this week is anything to go by the rest of the careerist wankers will follow suit. Edited September 5, 2019 by PaddockLad Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rayvin 5185 Posted September 5, 2019 Share Posted September 5, 2019 (edited) I think you could quite possibly be right, but I also think that the situation may be deteriorating quickly in terms of 'how the public see things'. I'm not sure Boris is coming off all that strong at the moment. Conversely, if Corbyn can just shut up and sit down for a bit, avoid doing anything stupid and force Johnson to humiliate himself by asking for an extension, he might win some people over. Edited September 5, 2019 by Rayvin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rayvin 5185 Posted September 5, 2019 Share Posted September 5, 2019 (edited) I have just watched Johnson talking for ages at a press conference concerning increasing police numbers and he's just a rambling moron. Aside from anything else, he's incapable of making coherent sentences let alone arguments. Edited September 5, 2019 by Rayvin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewerk 30266 Posted September 5, 2019 Share Posted September 5, 2019 20 minutes ago, PaddockLad said: Well if I’ve read this wrong that’s fair enough but I can’t see a gammon vote alone delivering Brexit. The votes in in parliament are only being lost because of arithmetic. The 23 sackings will be replaced with no dealers. If this week is anything to go by the rest of the careerist wankers will follow suit. I’d be interested in seeing some analysis of the referendum results in the seats of those sacked MPs. It’s always risky when an incumbent isn’t involved and it could backfire spectacularly on the Tories. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gemmill 44399 Posted September 5, 2019 Share Posted September 5, 2019 Johnson getting rinsed on the streets of Morley and now Amber Rudd is apparently about to resign. How do you feel this is all going, Boris, you cunt? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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