Europe --- In or Out

[Rayvin 5177]

1 hour ago, ewerk said:

It only takes one...

 

It does but does France want to be the country responsible for 'No Deal' all on its own?

 

47 minutes ago, Renton said:

 

Agreed. May is fucking bonkers. The deal Tusk wants to offer is flexible so that if she can get this WA through, we can leave whenever. But she is deliberately putting pressure on herself. I know this is probably a sop to the ERG but still. Its like when the government were desperate to get the ECJ to find against us having the unilateral right to revoke A50. Trying to take our own options of the table ffs. Ironically our best leverage now.

 

It seems that the likes of Rees Mogg and the other Brexit psychos issuing warnings to disrupt everything has indeed rattled the EU.

[Renton 21306]

39 minutes ago, Rayvin said:

 

It does but does France want to be the country responsible for 'No Deal' all on its own?

 

 

It seems that the likes of Rees Mogg and the other Brexit psychos issuing warnings to disrupt everything has indeed rattled the EU.

 

It should rattle them. And as I've said a few times now, why we need to leave imo. I just want the softest terms possible. Fuck knows where this is heading though.

Edited April 10, 2019 by Renton

[Renton 21306]

So 6 months flexible with conditions. Honestly sounds like a prison sentence. Embarassing. In 6 months time, what then?

[Renton 21306]

And fucking hell. Halloween is the new brexit day. Coincidence? 

 

Somebody make this shit stop. 

[Rayvin 5177]

It's just enough time for a referendum apparently.

[Rayvin 5177]

Also sounds like Macron is copping some shit for this from the other EU diplomats.

[Renton 21306]

15 minutes ago, Rayvin said:

It's just enough time for a referendum apparently.

 

Probably not actually, unless its decided this week. May is also finished. 

Edited April 10, 2019 by Renton

[Rayvin 5177]

If PV2 became clear, we'd get the extension until March 2020. That sounds like the final date anyway - October is better expressed as the date by which No Deal occurs if we still haven't got any semblance of a plan.

[RobinRobin 11137]

2 hours ago, Rayvin said:

If PV2 became clear, we'd get the extension until March 2020. That sounds like the final date anyway - October is better expressed as the date by which No Deal occurs if we still haven't got any semblance of a plan.

So ... nothing has changed, really?  Another six months minimum of this shit.  

[Rayvin 5177]

4 hours ago, RobinRobin said:

So ... nothing has changed, really?  Another six months minimum of this shit.  

 

Well, not quite. We're contesting the

Euro elections. That's a big deal for the Tories. It's going to be incredibly important for us to vote for Remain candidates in that.

Edited April 11, 2019 by Rayvin

[Renton 21306]

6 minutes ago, Rayvin said:

 

Well, not quite. We're contesting the

Euro elections. That's a big deal for the Tories. It's going to be incredibly important for us to vote for Remain candidates in that.

 

Agreed. We need to change tact and concentrate on that. See what Labour come up with, otherwise there needs to be a coordinated vote on an unambiguously remain party. 

[ewerk 30266]

Do European elections have much impact on party funding? Not the campaigns as such but the funding you get from winning a seat.

[ewerk 30266]

So this is where we're at...

 

[Rayvin 5177]

I thought the telegraph was meant to have a modicum of dignity....

[Rayvin 5177]

1 hour ago, Renton said:

 

Agreed. We need to change tact and concentrate on that. See what Labour come up with, otherwise there needs to be a coordinated vote on an unambiguously remain party. 

 

If Labour aren't fully and clearly behind PV2 at this point they should be obliterated at the EU elections. It's a perfect chance since it doesn't harm them domestically but does send a very clear message.

 

What we are going to need to accomplish this, however, is some manner of figurehead for Remain. Not Vince Cable.

[Meenzer 15405]

There's nothing wrong with running your country on the basis of referendums, Switzerland does it and they're all right... wait what?

 

 

 

[Gemmill 44393]

58 minutes ago, ewerk said:

So this is where we're at...

 

I really fucking hope this happens. There's bound to be a video of him wanking in full camo on chat roulette that'll come to light. 

[Meenzer 15405]

Just now, Gemmill said:

I really fucking hope this happens. There's bound to be a video of him wanking in full camo on chat roulette that'll come to light. 

 

 

This is absolutely spot on:
 

 

[Gemmill 44393]

2 minutes ago, Meenzer said:

 

 

This is absolutely spot on:
 

 

 

Check out @mutablejoe’s Tweet:

 

[Rayvin 5177]

It's interesting that Francois is now the main poster boy of Hard Brexit. JRM a busted flush due to his late support for May's deal? Potentially good news for us anyway - while Francois and his ilk are getting all of this attention, they're not going to back down from their positions, this making May's deal impossible unless Corbyn enables it. And you'd have to hope he isn't stupid enough to do that without PV2.

[NJS 4371]

I have a feeling October was chosen to make it extremely difficult for time for a second ref. 

[Rayvin 5177]

1 minute ago, NJS said:

I have a feeling October was chosen to make it extremely difficult for time for a second ref. 

 

I read earlier that they've allowed themselves the possibility to extend it to March 2020 by implicating some manner of review in mid-October. If the wheels are in motion before then, they'll let it through.

[Gemmill 44393]

Tusk basically conceded that we could probably extend again in October. Realistically if we told them in June that the only way out was a referendum, they'd give us the time. Ditto a general election. 

 

The October thing was entirely down to Macron being a little cunt. It would have been December or March if not for him. 

[Rayvin 5177]

Yeah Macron was playing a weird game last night but ultimately it doesn't matter much. If we're going to get this referendum it's going to happen quickly.

 

We need to be absolutely insufferable about it now

Edited April 11, 2019 by Rayvin

[Gemmill 44393]

Ian Dunt has written an article saying that the idea we need to hold the referendum by October is wrong. We just need to agree to hold one and set the ball in motion. That'll be enough.