Europe --- In or Out

[Meenzer 15531]

11 minutes ago, Dr Gloom said:

anyone going on the march tomorrow? it'll be my first since 2003. that achieved fuck all too but still feel it's a democratic duty, if ultimately a pointless exercise. 

 

I would, but I'm heading up to Edinburgh this afternoon for my mate's 40th. Missing a Eurovision preview night at the Royal Vauxhall Tavern for it too. Words will be had.  

 

11 minutes ago, Dr Gloom said:

the thing that really pisses me off about these things is all these career protesters, (the stop the war/anti-israel/whatever your particular cause might be) who hijack the demonstration to push their own narrative. it puts off moderates from taking it seriously. i'll just have to hold my nose. 

 

Aye. When we went on the march against the proposed closure of Lewisham Hospital there were the usual Socialist Worker oddjobs, all kinds of dweebs trying to start "Occupy Now!" chants, plus this one bloke who kept shouting "You voted for this! You voted for this!" at everyone even though Lewisham Deptford is about as ultra-safe Labour as it comes. And this was pre-Corbyn so I imagine things are even more peculiar now.

[ewerk 30620]

12 minutes ago, Rayvin said:

 

Good man. I'm not I'm afraid, it's just too expensive a proposition for me at the moment.

It's £20 return. You're full of principles, just not prepared to spend £20 to demonstrate them. Pitiful.

[Rayvin 5223]

28 minutes ago, ewerk said:

It's £20 return. You're full of principles, just not prepared to spend £20 to demonstrate them. Pitiful.

 

Well, firstly I was assuming that it was usual prices (£120 return + hotel) but secondly, it's expensive in the sense that I'm mid project and need to work tomorrow, and that not doing so will be a significant blow to my ability to finish promptly and get paid fully.

 

But thanks for the purity test

Edited March 22, 2019 by Rayvin

[Dr Gloom 21924]

49 minutes ago, Meenzer said:

 

I would, but I'm heading up to Edinburgh this afternoon for my mate's 40th. Missing a Eurovision preview night at the Royal Vauxhall Tavern for it too. Words will be had.  

 

 

Aye. When we went on the march against the proposed closure of Lewisham Hospital there were the usual Socialist Worker oddjobs, all kinds of dweebs trying to start "Occupy Now!" chants, plus this one bloke who kept shouting "You voted for this! You voted for this!" at everyone even though Lewisham Deptford is about as ultra-safe Labour as it comes. And this was pre-Corbyn so I imagine things are even more peculiar now.

if i see someone in a guy fawkes mask i'll run them over with my hoverboard

Edited March 22, 2019 by Dr Gloom

[ewerk 30620]

Ah yes, this country was built on men who had principles when it was convenient to do so.

[Renton 21627]

1 minute ago, Dr Gloom said:

if i see someone in a guy fawkes mask i'll runt them over on my hoverboard

You'll be busy. 

[ewerk 30620]

1 minute ago, Dr Gloom said:

if i see someone in a guy fawkes mask i'll runt them over on my hoverboard

Just give them a ton of explosives and point them in the direction of parliament. I'll help with the former.

[Rayvin 5223]

Just now, ewerk said:

Ah yes, this country was built on men who had principles when it was convenient to do so.

 

Yeah you have no comprehension of my life situation so this isn't really landing with me.

[ewerk 30620]

 I'll try another angle to get a rise out of you then.

[Rayvin 5223]

Just now, ewerk said:

 I'll try another angle to get a rise out of you then.

 

You get rises out of me all the time, I'm amazed you aren't bored of it yet.

[ewerk 30620]

Your liberal tears sustain me.

[Rayvin 5223]

That isn't tears, it's my will to live

[Renton 21627]

When Rayvin snaps and goes postal, we know who to blame. 

[Bottled Dog 0]

55 minutes ago, Renton said:

You'll be busy. 

 

Didn't see a single Guy Fawkes mask on the last one thankfully, just a chilled atmosphere and some surprisingly canny pubs near Parliament Square. You get the a few nutters pushing slightly odd agendas, but generally just fairly amiable old folk.

 

Was on the same Lewisham rally with Meenzer or at least one of them, and when it's a local thing I think you get a lot more prominent hijackers imho (People Before Profit, Socialist Worker and Antifa in the case of Deptford/Lewisham).

Edited March 22, 2019 by Bottled Dog

[Alex 35095]

1 hour ago, Rayvin said:

 

You get rises out of me all the time, I'm amazed you aren't bored of it yet.

The first part of that sentence answers the second part 

[Renton 21627]

Katya Adler tweet seems to confirm May is a now a no dealer. Even if she resigns, she stays on until her replacement is appointed, who will be even more extreme than her. Macron put the chances of her deal passing at 

5%, with Tusk saying that was optimistic. 

 

Looks like it's nearly game over to me. Better hope for once in his life our resident lard arse is right and no deal is BAU. Why am I not confident? 

 

Edit: Preston thinks its no deal too. 

Edited March 22, 2019 by Renton

[Gemmill 44900]

Her and her party can't avoid the blame for no deal if Parliament demonstrates it wants something more constructive, and she ignores it and ploughs ahead with no deal. 

[Rayvin 5223]

Aye but Preston thinks it's no deal because he doubts MPs will compromise. I still think they might. There is an overall commons majority for some manner of soft Brexit, it just needs someone somewhere to show a bit of leadership.

[Rayvin 5223]

21 minutes ago, Alex said:

The first part of that sentence answers the second part 

 

I'm taking all of this stuff way too personally at the moment, both here and elsewhere. I probably do, on a very real level, need to stop being so angry about all of it.

[Renton 21627]

2 minutes ago, Rayvin said:

Aye but Preston thinks it's no deal because he doubts MPs will compromise. I still think they might. There is an overall commons majority for some manner of soft Brexit, it just needs someone somewhere to show a bit of leadership.

 

I just don't see a mechanism for it. Preston doubts there is enough parliamentary competence, difficult to argue with him. 

[Gemmill 44900]

It's Peston, dickheads. Like you're both sex PESTS, that's how to remember it. 

[Renton 21627]

2 minutes ago, Rayvin said:

 

I'm taking all of this stuff way too personally at the moment, both here and elsewhere. I probably do, on a very real level, need to stop being so angry about all of it.

 

Nothing wrong with taking this shit being dealt by the government personally and being angry about it. It affects us hugely and thus is personal. 

 

The stuff on here, other than CT's blatant trolling, is genuine banter. 

[Rayvin 5223]

1 minute ago, Renton said:

 

I just don't see a mechanism for it. Preston doubts there is enough parliamentary competence, difficult to argue with him. 

 

The way I see it, May loses MV3 and resigns - Parliament then gets to have its indicative votes exercise. If they still can't come to agreement by April 12th, then they can just go with May's deal - the only reason MV3 isn't going through is that there is a majority for a softer Brexit. If they get the chance to try for it, and it doesn't stick, those same MPs aren't going to just allow No Deal when May's option remains possible.

[Gemmill 44900]

And Peston's conclusion is the obvious extrapolation of the current situation. If you ask anyone, assuming no change in the status quo and no breakthroughs in the next three weeks, what will be the outcome, the answer is no deal exit. That's the basis on which he's made his prediction - it also pays to be sensationalist in his job. 

 

But I think we've seen enough evidence that there are characters in there strong enough to take hold of the situation and make a difference. Let's see. 

[Renton 21627]

1 minute ago, Gemmill said:

It's Peston, dickheads. Like you're both sex PESTS, that's how to remember it. 

 

Not just Peston though. Listen g to the legal stuff on the remainiac podcast last night, the situation is grim, confirmed by Dunt etc. My impression is May will go for no deal now and it is nigh on impossible to stop her. The only narrative that matters to her is the one in her head, and on this she is an evangelical.