Europe --- In or Out

[PaddockLad 17079]

CT: 200 Tories failed to vote for Mays deal; CORBYNS FAULT! 

 

 

[Alex 34846]

I  wonder how many hours he spent trying to find one of his predictions which even had the potential to be accurate. 

[Christmas Tree 4689]

16 minutes ago, PaddockLad said:

CT: 200 Tories failed to vote for Mays deal; CORBYNS FAULT! 

 

 

 

Maybe have another guess.

[ewerk 30266]

On 6/13/2018 at 08:51, ewerk said:

It was a failsafe to ensure that no deal doesn't happen. Seems like a sensible plan of action to me.

@Christmas Tree  As I said at the time.

[Renton 21300]

3 minutes ago, Christmas Tree said:

 

Maybe have another guess.

 

Only 118, huge majority of them ERG slanted, you ridiculous pedant. Imagine blaming the official opposition and 'remoaners" for voting down a deal they fundamentally disagree with, rather than May's own party.

 

But that's leavers for you. Many of us predicted you would literally blame everybody else when it went tits up, and here we are. x

[Alex 34846]

As Gemmill said, he couldn’t even articulate the deal he wanted but it’s everybody else’s fault it hasn’t been delivered. He either believes that and he’s a fucking idiot or he’s just trying to wind people up because he desperately craves attention 

[Renton 21300]

4 minutes ago, Alex said:

As Gemmill said, he couldn’t even articulate the deal he wanted but it’s everybody else’s fault it hasn’t been delivered. He either believes that and he’s a fucking idiot or he’s just trying to wind people up because he desperately craves attention 

 

Not mutually exclusive, the contrary mackem tub of lard. 

[Alex 34846]

6 hours ago, RobinRobin said:

Correct.  Very well paid MP's unwilling to do the job they are paid for.  Referenda are for weak politicians unwilling to make decisions, in case they lose their job.

Even worse arguably is their expecting people to understand something they themselves didn’t even understand. Even having had over two years to get to grips with the issue many MPs don’t seem to fully comprehend how the EU works. And to top it off a lot are still lying about what can be delivered. In some cases by people who actually had a go at trying to make a deal and couldn’t hack it. All the fault of the opposition and people who didn’t vote to leave though, obviously 

[Alex 34846]

Just now, Renton said:

 

Not mutually exclusive, the contrary mackem tub of lard. 

He did, after all, first arrive here when Keegan left telling people Dennis Wise should get the manager’s job

[ewerk 30266]

2 minutes ago, Alex said:

Even worse arguably is their expecting people to understand something they themselves didn’t even understand. Even having had over two years to get to grips with the issue many MPs don’t seem to fully comprehend how the EU works. And to top it off a lot are still lying about what can be delivered. In some cases by people who actually had a go at trying to make a deal and couldn’t hack it. All the fault of the opposition and people who didn’t vote to leave though, obviously 

Aye, I've always thought that politicians must have some level of intelligence and grasp of policy and how the world works but this has really exposed just how many utter charlatans we have in parliament.

[Dr Gloom 21812]

8 hours ago, Renton said:

 

QT was in gammon land today wasnt it? Derby? Not everywhere would be like that. Theres no way PV will have no deal on it. It means a hard border in Ireland and breaking the GFA, an international treaty. Not to mention a teeny economic downturn.  I thought you agreed with this? Let the gammons cheer, they'll be sizzling soon enough.

No, you’re right. No deal would almost certainly not be on the ballot. But at this stage, who the fuck knows? It is incredible  how many voters still desire economic suicide though. There have been increasing numbers of people holding “no deal, no problem” placards around college green lately. 

[Renton 21300]

2 minutes ago, ewerk said:

Aye, I've always thought that politicians must have some level of intelligence and grasp of policy and how the world works but this has really exposed just how many utter charlatans we have in parliament.

 Alan Campbell, my MP, has just received a knighthood. I know and like him, but fuck me, he's no Einstein and has done fuck all politically. 

[Alex 34846]

1 minute ago, Dr Gloom said:

No, you’re right. No deal would almost certainly not be on the ballot. But at this stage, who the fuck knows? It is incredible  how many voters still desire economic suicide though. There have been increasing numbers of people holding “no deal, no problem” placards around college green lately. 

No deal v May’s deal v Remain would be the perfect ballot imo 

[Christmas Tree 4689]

22 minutes ago, Renton said:

 

Only 118, huge majority of them ERG slanted, you ridiculous pedant. Imagine blaming the official opposition and 'remoaners" for voting down a deal they fundamentally disagree with, rather than May's own party.

 

But that's leavers for you. Many of us predicted you would literally blame everybody else when it went tits up, and here we are. x

 

Mots understandable the ERG voting against as they want WTO terms. 

 

Lets remember, this was just the withdrawal agreement sorting out citizens rights, the money we owe and safeguarding NI. 

 

The political declaration was vague as hell which could (through Parliament) have been anything from a free trade deal to Norway plus.

 

We could now be sitting here with it mostly over, a two or three year transition and back to relatively normal politics. But oh no, Corbyn wants to create as much chaos as possible, bring the country to its knees in utter desperation to get into a job that he’s vastly ill equipped to do and would absolutely hate.

 

Pure charlatan and carry’s most of the blame for where we are.

 

Hes destroyed the Labour Party and no wants to take us all with him. 

[Alex 34846]

See what I mean? Shameless  

[Meenzer 15404]

3 minutes ago, Alex said:

See what I mean? Shameless  

 

Well at least he's happy to admit to being thick enough to have been duped by obvious lies in one recent vote. Maybe he'll figure out the other one eventually.

[Dr Gloom 21812]

45 minutes ago, Christmas Tree said:

 

Mots understandable the ERG voting against as they want WTO terms. 

 

Lets remember, this was just the withdrawal agreement sorting out citizens rights, the money we owe and safeguarding NI. 

 

The political declaration was vague as hell which could (through Parliament) have been anything from a free trade deal to Norway plus.

 

We could now be sitting here with it mostly over, a two or three year transition and back to relatively normal politics. But oh no, Corbyn wants to create as much chaos as possible, bring the country to its knees in utter desperation to get into a job that he’s vastly ill equipped to do and would absolutely hate.

 

Pure charlatan and carry’s most of the blame for where we are.

 

Hes destroyed the Labour Party and no wants to take us all with him. 

So what you’re really saying is you were completely wrong because you didn’t realise he was ill-equipped to govern when you voted for him.

And as for carrying most of the blame for where we are...  D minus - must try harder!

Edited January 18, 2019 by Dr Gloom

[Alex 34846]

Btw, the 118 is basically every Tory MP not in a governmental role of some type. 

[Alex 34846]

1 minute ago, Dr Gloom said:

So what you’re really saying is you were completely wrong because you didn’t realise he was ill-equipped to govern when  you voted for him.

And as for carrying most of the blame for where we are  D minus - must try harder!

Political genius 

[ewerk 30266]

And how long have the ERG been calling for no deal?

[Alex 34846]

Raab couldn't secure a deal parliament would approve. Davis couldn’t. Johnson did nothing to make a suitable deal possible in his time at the Foreign Office. Liam Fox hasn’t been able to deliver one positive bit of news on a trade deal. All Brexiteers. May’s negotiated deal was rejected by just about every MP not on the government payroll. So it’s obviously Corbyn and the fault of his party that we’re where we are. 

[Dr Gloom 21812]

obviously.

so you can only imagine how much of a berk you'd feel if you came to this conclusion after voting for the man.

[Christmas Tree 4689]

Corbyn  Can’t even remember when to sit down.

 

 

[Ayatollah Hermione 13794]

Here’s a “hot take”

 

Leazes was banned for similar to this

[PaddockLad 17079]

CT even Rayvin now thinks Corbyn is a cunt so am not sure what you’re trying to prove, possibly and inadvertently that you’re an easily manipulated thick twat desperate for a diversion from the issue at hand, ie the Tory party tearing itself to fuckin pieces over Europe. Their desperation to prevent Corbyn becoming PM doesn’t change that.