Christmas Tree 4688 Posted January 15, 2019 Author Share Posted January 15, 2019 Eyes down for another referendum. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rayvin 5176 Posted January 15, 2019 Share Posted January 15, 2019 (edited) Is Bercow now actively working against the government? Edited January 15, 2019 by Rayvin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christmas Tree 4688 Posted January 15, 2019 Author Share Posted January 15, 2019 1 minute ago, Rayvin said: Is Bercow now actively working against the government? Now Hes been doing it for years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gemmill 44382 Posted January 15, 2019 Share Posted January 15, 2019 May says that whatever the result of the vote tonight, she intends to push on with her deal as "it's the only option". What's the point in the vote then you fucking hideous witch? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gemmill 44382 Posted January 15, 2019 Share Posted January 15, 2019 1 minute ago, Christmas Tree said: Now Hes been doing it for years. He wouldn't be if the government wasn't actively working against British democracy. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rayvin 5176 Posted January 15, 2019 Share Posted January 15, 2019 4 minutes ago, Gemmill said: May says that whatever the result of the vote tonight, she intends to push on with her deal as "it's the only option". What's the point in the vote then you fucking hideous witch? What does that even mean though. She can't unilaterally make it happen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meenzer 15404 Posted January 15, 2019 Share Posted January 15, 2019 I can't imagine anyone who says things like that would recently have been bashing on about people losing their trust in democr... oh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rayvin 5176 Posted January 15, 2019 Share Posted January 15, 2019 This could be special May presiding over the greatest government defeat in history would be enjoyable if nothing else. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zerosum 234 Posted January 15, 2019 Share Posted January 15, 2019 16 minutes ago, Gemmill said: May says that whatever the result of the vote tonight, she intends to push on with her deal as "it's the only option". What's the point in the vote then you fucking hideous witch? err.. that’s what people have been saying about this whole palaver. Nice to see you agree with the result of a vote 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christmas Tree 4688 Posted January 15, 2019 Author Share Posted January 15, 2019 (edited) 6 minutes ago, Rayvin said: This could be special May presiding over the greatest government defeat in history would be enjoyable if nothing else. And they’d still be six points ahead in the polls Edited January 15, 2019 by Christmas Tree Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewerk 30266 Posted January 15, 2019 Share Posted January 15, 2019 23 minutes ago, Rayvin said: Is Bercow now actively working against the government? It wasn't a government amendment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom 14011 Posted January 15, 2019 Share Posted January 15, 2019 22 minutes ago, Christmas Tree said: Hes been doing it for years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rayvin 5176 Posted January 15, 2019 Share Posted January 15, 2019 1 minute ago, zerosum said: err.. that’s what people have been saying about this whole palaver. Nice to see you agree with the result of a vote Yeah except we have abided by the outcome of the previous vote - we've looked into Brexit, wasted fucking billions on it in fact, researched what the options are, and now can conclude that if we do it, we're fucked. And yet we're still on course. Calls for a second referendum are in light of the fact that evidence now exists, demonstrating the extent of our fuckedness. So a fair comparison would be if May lost, and then we subsequently discovered later that hers was the best option, and decided to go for it after all, once we were in possession of all the information. That might actually happen as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewerk 30266 Posted January 15, 2019 Share Posted January 15, 2019 4 minutes ago, zerosum said: err.. that’s what people have been saying about this whole palaver. Nice to see you agree with the result of a vote And yet those same people are frustrating the process that delivers exactly what the people voted for. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rayvin 5176 Posted January 15, 2019 Share Posted January 15, 2019 1 minute ago, Christmas Tree said: And they’d still be six points ahead in the polls Who cares? A general election wouldn't solve anything anyway. This is now about common sense defeating idiocy. Idiocy almost totally envelops the Tory party, and has a significant hold in Labour as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gemmill 44382 Posted January 15, 2019 Share Posted January 15, 2019 7 minutes ago, zerosum said: err.. that’s what people have been saying about this whole palaver. Nice to see you agree with the result of a vote Team CT assemble. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christmas Tree 4688 Posted January 15, 2019 Author Share Posted January 15, 2019 2 minutes ago, Rayvin said: Who cares? A general election wouldn't solve anything anyway. This is now about common sense defeating idiocy. Idiocy almost totally envelops the Tory party, and has a significant hold in Labour as well. Of course it could. One party getting a decent majority could do what it wanted without all these silly political games. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gemmill 44382 Posted January 15, 2019 Share Posted January 15, 2019 This attorney general is a galactically pompous cunt. No wonder CT thinks he's the shit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zerosum 234 Posted January 15, 2019 Share Posted January 15, 2019 4 minutes ago, Rayvin said: Yeah except we have abided by the outcome of the previous vote - we've looked into Brexit, wasted fucking billions on it in fact, researched what the options are, and now can conclude that if we do it, we're fucked. And yet we're still on course. Calls for a second referendum are in light of the fact that evidence now exists, demonstrating the extent of our fuckedness. So a fair comparison would be if May lost, and then we subsequently discovered later that hers was the best option, and decided to go for it after all, once we were in possession of all the information. That might actually happen as well. Well if everyone decides we need a 2nd vote then i’m sure I’ll go with it, and respect the outcome. Just a shame we had to piss fart about like children for 2 years to get to that stage Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rayvin 5176 Posted January 15, 2019 Share Posted January 15, 2019 Just now, Christmas Tree said: Of course it could. One party getting a decent majority could do what it wanted without all these silly political games. Ah sorry, my mistake - I meant solving things in a competent way. There isn't a lot of evidence that the Tories would landslide a GE. And Labour would start falling apart if they got in and still tried to push Brexit. So, IMO, we'd be back where we started. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zerosum 234 Posted January 15, 2019 Share Posted January 15, 2019 Tell you what tho. I might invest in a shit ton of hi-vis vests to knock out on ebay when this deal gets voted down hehe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rayvin 5176 Posted January 15, 2019 Share Posted January 15, 2019 Just now, zerosum said: Well if everyone decides we need a 2nd vote then i’m sure I’ll go with it, and respect the outcome. Just a shame we had to piss fart about like children for 2 years to get to that stage Yeah but we did need to, apparently. If nothing else, we either had to come out and say that actually, the people on the Leave campaign side were all lying about everything (which they broadly were) and the Tory party would have ultimately had to take ownership of that; or we had to explore it properly and inform ourselves so that it was clear that the democratic process had been observed. As much as the former looks more like the rational option to me, the narrative behind it is impossible. You would have had the Tories needing to have the moral fortitude to hold their hands up and say they were comprised of liars and morons, which was never going to happen, and moreover, you would have had to effectively tell 50% of the British public that they had been successfully seduced by liars and morons. The only option was wasting billions demonstrating how bad an idea this is. Because people are irrational and hate being wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rayvin 5176 Posted January 15, 2019 Share Posted January 15, 2019 1 minute ago, zerosum said: Tell you what tho. I might invest in a shit ton of hi-vis vests to knock out on ebay when this deal gets voted down hehe I'd be amazed if there is any manner of backlash to the scale of what we've seen in France We're British, we just accept what we're told. Give it a week and they'll be down to the diehards, probably less than a couple of thousand. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewerk 30266 Posted January 15, 2019 Share Posted January 15, 2019 7 minutes ago, Christmas Tree said: Of course it could. One party getting a decent majority could do what it wanted without all these silly political games. May's deal is going to be defeated by a record number. What difference would a majority of 60 make? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zerosum 234 Posted January 15, 2019 Share Posted January 15, 2019 Just now, Rayvin said: I'd be amazed if there is any manner of backlash to the scale of what we've seen in France We're British, we just accept what we're told. Give it a week and they'll be down to the diehards, probably less than a couple of thousand. Thats usually the case, but as was proven in the brexit vote, there’s more public support for it than those in the big smoke realised. Could be taken by surprise. And no, I’m seriously not investing in hi-vis vests! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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