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It would mean that May couldn’t leave it another month before bringing the vote again i.e. taking us closer to no deal.

Whether the speaker was able to pick the amendment or not appears to be somewhat of a constitutional riddle.

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Tory Brexiteers fully exposed for the cunts that they are in the run up to the vote. Point of order after point of order repeating the same old shit and in one instance trying to claim that Bercow has a sticker on his car disparaging Brexit. And all to try and avoid a vote in the supposed seat of democracy. So much for taking back control.

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Seems to be consensus that the Swire amendment does nothing in reality, just an attempt to get more MPs onto the governments side.

 

I go back and forth on Bercow but he's been on good form today, both as far as the Grieve amendment goes and in his responses to various Brexiteer MPs frothing about it.

 

 

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The Executive has steered what and for how long the HoC discusses for a century or more. Bercow has driven a coach and horses through this convention which has the potential to re-balance powers between Executive and Legislature. It’s a big moment 

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58 minutes ago, Gemmill said:

If the government hadn't spent the last two years taking the piss out of British democracy, he might not have had to do what he did. He's as sick of May as the rest of us.

True and a lot of Tories despise him and think he’s a Labour sympathiser. But this goes deeper - he has been in his job for 9(?) years and senses a parliamentary calamity unless something changes.

The executive has held the balance of power over the legislature since around the mid-19th century, I think, but as Bercow argues every precedent was itself a replacement and so must change eventually.

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15 minutes ago, Meenzer said:

Andrea Leadsom, honestly. Has there ever been a greater disparity between self-belief and actual capability? I'd call her the Ali Dia of politics but that'd be an insult to Ali Dia.

 

Tbf there's a lot of competition for that at the moment. I'd nominate Davis and Grayling. 

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