Christmas Tree 4725 Posted December 13, 2018 Author Share Posted December 13, 2018 23 minutes ago, NJS said: I think it's summed up by this British empire/superiority trope that it describes. The amount of language from leavers harking back to ww2 or when Britain ruled the waves and other such nonsense is obvious in its influence. No concept of how the 21st century world is or works whatsoever. There was a piece I read today mentioning how leave had broad canvas ideals like "take back control" etc which appeal to people who have no interest in details - however it didn't expand on that to show the same shit with Trump's "make America great again" etc. Basically the world if full of shallow brained morons who shouldn't be allowed anywhere near anything important. Most of the world works by sovereign country’s having trading arrangements with other country’s that they wish to trade with. They don’t have to be part of a bloated political structure. Its going to be a very fast changing world over the next 10-20 years, particularly with the changes AI are going to have. Much better to be a nimble country able to quickly make decisions, arrange deals (that are targeted at our needs, not 27 other country’s) and pass laws that allows our governments to act in our interests. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewerk 30616 Posted December 13, 2018 Share Posted December 13, 2018 6 minutes ago, Christmas Tree said: Its going to be a very fast changing world over the next 10-20 years, particularly with the changes AI are going to have. Much better to be a nimble country able to quickly make decisions, arrange deals (that are targeted at our needs, not 27 other country’s) and pass laws that allows our governments to act in our interests. Give me one conceivable situation where any of that makes sense. Just one hypothetical situation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kevin Carr's Gloves 3894 Posted December 13, 2018 Share Posted December 13, 2018 36 minutes ago, Christmas Tree said: Most of the world works by sovereign country’s having trading arrangements with other country’s that they wish to trade with. They don’t have to be part of a bloated political structure. Its going to be a very fast changing world over the next 10-20 years, particularly with the changes AI are going to have. Much better to be a nimble country able to quickly make decisions, arrange deals (that are targeted at our needs, not 27 other country’s) and pass laws that allows our governments to act in our interests. What the fuck has AI got to do with anything remotely. Also before you make shit up I have worked in and with AI systems. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NJS 4386 Posted December 14, 2018 Share Posted December 14, 2018 4 hours ago, Christmas Tree said: Most of the world works by sovereign country’s having trading arrangements with other country’s that they wish to trade with. They don’t have to be part of a bloated political structure. Its going to be a very fast changing world over the next 10-20 years, particularly with the changes AI are going to have. Much better to be a nimble country able to quickly make decisions, arrange deals (that are targeted at our needs, not 27 other country’s) and pass laws that allows our governments to act in our interests. List the countries with which trade deals are of material worth and explain why they would offer better terms than those they have with the EU. List any trade deals at that level which have been "quick". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gemmill 44894 Posted December 14, 2018 Share Posted December 14, 2018 6 hours ago, Christmas Tree said: Its going to be a very fast changing world over the next 10-20 years, particularly with the changes AI are going to have. Much better to be a nimble country able to quickly make decisions, arrange deals (that are targeted at our needs, not 27 other country’s) and pass laws that allows our governments to act in our interests. Actually you've got this exactly the wrong way round. Like an even thicker version of Liam Fox. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaddockLad 17275 Posted December 14, 2018 Share Posted December 14, 2018 So about last night (in Brussels).... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renton 21627 Posted December 14, 2018 Share Posted December 14, 2018 (edited) The person who I would trust the most about Brexit is Ivan Rogers, the ex ambassador to the EU who quit because he knew this was going to happen. He gave a scathing speech last night and says we are heading for a full blown crisis. A toxic combination of UK delusions and the EU's technocratic approach. He's been spot on so far, so I would suggest we should listen. If he thinks we're fucked, we probably are. It's quite long but I'd highly recommend to read it as it perfectly summarises the issues we face. https://news.liverpool.ac.uk/2018/12/13/full-speech-sir-ivan-rogers-on-brexit/ Edited December 14, 2018 by Renton Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sonatine 11387 Posted December 14, 2018 Share Posted December 14, 2018 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrew 4757 Posted December 14, 2018 Share Posted December 14, 2018 I can't decide if thats more funny or sad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewerk 30616 Posted December 14, 2018 Share Posted December 14, 2018 It's still unbelievable how brazen these people are with their stupidity. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex 35083 Posted December 14, 2018 Share Posted December 14, 2018 12 hours ago, Christmas Tree said: Well you would think it was spot on because you too are a self confessed europhile. Unfortunately it’s the minority view within the U.K. Agreed, most people lack self awareness 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex 35083 Posted December 14, 2018 Share Posted December 14, 2018 9 hours ago, Kevin Carr's Gloves said: What the fuck has AI got to do with anything remotely. Also before you make shit up I have worked in and with AI systems. It’s just something else he’s heard about but knows absolutely nothing about Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christmas Tree 4725 Posted December 14, 2018 Author Share Posted December 14, 2018 On 13/11/2018 at 17:00, Christmas Tree said: I’m also becoming a big fan of Angela Rayner. Think she would romp home. Another solid performance by her last night on QT. Step aside Jezza. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renton 21627 Posted December 14, 2018 Share Posted December 14, 2018 18 minutes ago, Christmas Tree said: Another solid performance by her last night on QT. Step aside Jezza. She was utterly rubbish. Tbh I'm as sick of this unicorn cakeism bullshit from labour as I am from the tories. It ain't happening. To realise why, read the speech I linked to by Rogers (not you tubs, it's way beyond your attention span). There's literally nothing else you need to know about Brexit and where we are heading and nobody better qualified to deliver it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Gloom 21924 Posted December 14, 2018 Share Posted December 14, 2018 we're heading for soft brexit or reman tbh, which remains the best deal available. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gemmill 44894 Posted December 14, 2018 Share Posted December 14, 2018 Rayner says "fervour" when she means to say "further". And I'm supposed to listen to her views on anything? Fuck that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meenzer 15531 Posted December 14, 2018 Share Posted December 14, 2018 THEY NEED US AS MUCH AS WE NEED... oh 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewerk 30616 Posted December 14, 2018 Share Posted December 14, 2018 It's all been kicking off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rayvin 5223 Posted December 14, 2018 Share Posted December 14, 2018 Why is May doing this to herself. How many years of her life has she lost by stressing about this lunacy, I wonder. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewerk 30616 Posted December 14, 2018 Share Posted December 14, 2018 Well this has changed my mind on another referendum. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kevin Carr's Gloves 3894 Posted December 14, 2018 Share Posted December 14, 2018 Just now, ewerk said: Well this has changed my mind on another referendum. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rayvin 5223 Posted December 14, 2018 Share Posted December 14, 2018 His logic presumably being that another democratic vote is an affront to democracy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renton 21627 Posted December 14, 2018 Share Posted December 14, 2018 I love it that a democratic vote can be an affront to democracy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rayvin 5223 Posted December 14, 2018 Share Posted December 14, 2018 Just now, Kevin Carr's Gloves said: You're aware that the SJWs would now consider you to be worse than me, right? You've just committed the unforgivable sin, irrespective of your intent Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rayvin 5223 Posted December 14, 2018 Share Posted December 14, 2018 Just now, Renton said: I love it that a democratic vote can be an affront to democracy. Damn. Almost word for word. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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