ewerk 30666 Posted December 4, 2018 Share Posted December 4, 2018 Not much, the EU court have strongly indicated that the UK can simply call the whole thing off and don't need the EU's agreement to do so. The government have already admitted that MPs can bind them into doing so. It means that May's claim that it's her deal or no deal doesn't hold any water. It gives MPs the power to stop Brexit should they chose to do so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rayvin 5227 Posted December 4, 2018 Share Posted December 4, 2018 So wait, you think that if Mays deal is voted down we'll end up revoking article 50 and staying? Isn't there a democratic fallout to that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewerk 30666 Posted December 4, 2018 Share Posted December 4, 2018 Following a PV of course. But if there's a refusal to grant that then parliament won't allow no deal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wykikitoon 20220 Posted December 4, 2018 Share Posted December 4, 2018 At least the French get it right. We should get on the streets and go fucking mental. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rayvin 5227 Posted December 4, 2018 Share Posted December 4, 2018 If we end up staying in on a technicality like that, after all of this, then the Tory party should be forcibly disbanded for being the biggest fucking waste of the country's time and money since world war one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewerk 30666 Posted December 4, 2018 Share Posted December 4, 2018 1 minute ago, Rayvin said: If we end up staying in on a technicality like that, after all of this, then the Tory party should be forcibly disbanded for being the biggest fucking waste of the country's time and money since world war one. It isn't a technicality. It's confirmation of parliamentary power. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rayvin 5227 Posted December 4, 2018 Share Posted December 4, 2018 I just want the Tories disbanded Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christmas Tree 4729 Posted December 4, 2018 Author Share Posted December 4, 2018 1 hour ago, Rayvin said: I just want the Tories disbanded You may want to wait The Tories are putting down an amendment today which could properly kill no deal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewerk 30666 Posted December 4, 2018 Share Posted December 4, 2018 It’s Dominic Grieve tabling the amendment though so he’ll probably vote against it himself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rayvin 5227 Posted December 4, 2018 Share Posted December 4, 2018 If that amendment goes through and Mays deal is voted down, surely we're looking at a second vote with a binary option. Mays deal or Remain. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewerk 30666 Posted December 4, 2018 Share Posted December 4, 2018 It's possible. But what do the Brexiters in parliament want? The EU won't re-open negotiations in any meaningful way and they know in their tiny, black hearts that no deal is a disaster. A PV would have government support because, as I've said before, it's the only way she gets her deal through. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christmas Tree 4729 Posted December 4, 2018 Author Share Posted December 4, 2018 24 minutes ago, Rayvin said: If that amendment goes through and Mays deal is voted down, surely we're looking at a second vote with a binary option. Mays deal or Remain. Imo we would then be looking at renegotiating towards labours 6 tests. (Unicorns). Most likely will end up at Norway plus’ish. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewerk 30666 Posted December 4, 2018 Share Posted December 4, 2018 To the relief of the entire nation May and Corbyn's Brexit debate has been cancelled by the BBC. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rayvin 5227 Posted December 4, 2018 Share Posted December 4, 2018 What about ITV? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wykikitoon 20220 Posted December 4, 2018 Share Posted December 4, 2018 2 minutes ago, Rayvin said: What about ITV? Jungle Celebrity is on Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewerk 30666 Posted December 4, 2018 Share Posted December 4, 2018 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ayatollah Hermione 13894 Posted December 4, 2018 Share Posted December 4, 2018 Hoy her in the tower Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wykikitoon 20220 Posted December 4, 2018 Share Posted December 4, 2018 What happens now? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewerk 30666 Posted December 4, 2018 Share Posted December 4, 2018 Government defeated again. Held in contempt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewerk 30666 Posted December 4, 2018 Share Posted December 4, 2018 Full legal advice to be published tomorrow. Not that I expect anything mindblowing from it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaddockLad 17290 Posted December 4, 2018 Share Posted December 4, 2018 Contempt of Parliament v contempt of court? 🤔 My paternal grandfather was done for CoC sometime in the 1920s.... he’d been nicked for D&D in the town of Duns in Berwickshire. He was up in front of the sheriff (equivalent to magistrates) on the Monday morning and was asked what he had to say for himself. He thought for a moment before apparently replying: ”Well your honour, I certainly wasn’t as pissed as you were at the Freemasons ball last year” 30 days The Tory cabinet think they’re above what Parliament tells them to do. Who are they supposed to be representing again?... 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christmas Tree 4729 Posted December 4, 2018 Author Share Posted December 4, 2018 29 minutes ago, ewerk said: Full legal advice to be published tomorrow. Not that I expect anything mindblowing from it. Not sure that’s strictly correct. I think the government is portioning the procedural committee first and will set out further plans tomorrow. Basically a political stunt by Labour and a vote the government would have easily won had the DUP not been in a huff. As this relates to Brexit, the legal stuff of importance is all out there. In reality it’s stupid that the government should release legal advice on what the negotiating strategy should be next and what are considered weak points of the EU’s future position in the negogiations. A precedent on publishing full legal advice has been set and will come back to bite a future Labour government. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christmas Tree 4729 Posted December 4, 2018 Author Share Posted December 4, 2018 (edited) I could be wrong, but I think Toontastics MP has just delivered the Tory amendment result that guarantees we won’t leave without a deal. Edited December 4, 2018 by Christmas Tree Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gemmill 44993 Posted December 4, 2018 Share Posted December 4, 2018 May is so out of her fucking depth here it's ridiculous. She's not even speaking in sentences. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christmas Tree 4729 Posted December 4, 2018 Author Share Posted December 4, 2018 May is the only grown up in the room. Her deal does it’s best to join together the 52 & 48. The true brexiteers want a no deal that could damage the country. The remainers want to disregard the refferendum that would simply continue the split in the country. Corbyn is promoting a deal that is pure unicorn stuff. sad state of politics. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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