Rayvin 6431 Posted November 16, 2018 Share Posted November 16, 2018 I love this fabled PR drive CT keeps talking about. Who is going to lead that exactly? She's lost Gove, Johnson, Raab, Davis... Farage will come out of the woodwork as well. There is going to be hell on, CT. If the Remainers think they can pull off a second vote, she's fucked. The only chance she has, is continuing to convince them that it's her deal or no deal. Weirdly, they're the only ones who might save her. But they'd be fucking stupid to do so when a second vote is feasible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christmas Tree 5324 Posted November 16, 2018 Author Share Posted November 16, 2018 On 15/11/2018 at 23:06, Renton said: What vote? The vote is on accepting May's deal or not, then we are in uncharted water. A PV would be extremely likely. I think that's what she's getting at tbh, a no deal/no Brexit referendum. The stress will likely kill me but imo remain would romp it. Expand Parliament has already voted to leave on 29th March with or without a deal. That’s the law. If commons votes down Mays vote that is what will happen unless the government decides to do something different. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christmas Tree 5324 Posted November 16, 2018 Author Share Posted November 16, 2018 On 16/11/2018 at 00:48, Rayvin said: I love this fabled PR drive CT keeps talking about. Who is going to lead that exactly? She's lost Gove, Johnson, Raab, Davis... Farage will come out of the woodwork as well. There is going to be hell on, CT. If the Remainers think they can pull off a second vote, she's fucked. The only chance she has, is continuing to convince them that it's her deal or no deal. Weirdly, they're the only ones who might save her. But they'd be fucking stupid to do so when a second vote is feasible. Expand See post above re logistics of getting a 2nd vote. As it happens, remainers like Rudd / Morgan who have asked for a 2nd vote have today backed Mays deal. The PR drive will come from big business / The EU / Media etc (If she survives). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gemmill 52223 Posted November 16, 2018 Share Posted November 16, 2018 Why are people still arguing with this feeb? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex 37689 Posted November 16, 2018 Share Posted November 16, 2018 On 15/11/2018 at 21:41, Christmas Tree said: She’s survived the day. Same tomorrow and she’s home and dry. Expand So you don’t think she’s toast? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renton 24402 Posted November 16, 2018 Share Posted November 16, 2018 On 16/11/2018 at 01:25, Christmas Tree said: Parliament has already voted to leave on 29th March with or without a deal. That’s the law. If commons votes down Mays vote that is what will happen unless the government decides to do something different. Expand Laws can be changed. You haven't been paying attention to her change in tone (she is no longer ruling out a PV) and STILL don't comprehend what no deal means. No deal could be the end of the country in a literal sense. Does May want to be remembered as the PM who broke the union and destroyed the economy? No. Much better to put it to a PV, citing how things have changed. If we vote no deal, at least it's mandated. Same with no Brexit. It's her get out clause. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewerk 34092 Posted November 16, 2018 Share Posted November 16, 2018 On 15/11/2018 at 22:17, Renton said: Laura Kuinssberg says it will happen before Monday. She'll survive it regardless, depending what you mean by survive. We now have a minority government, how long can that really last? Expand She'll technically survive it but if there's a sizeable number of her MPs voting to get rid of her then politically it would be incredibly difficult for her to continue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christmas Tree 5324 Posted November 16, 2018 Author Share Posted November 16, 2018 On 16/11/2018 at 08:03, Renton said: Laws can be changed. You haven't been paying attention to her change in tone (she is no longer ruling out a PV) and STILL don't comprehend what no deal means. No deal could be the end of the country in a literal sense. Does May want to be remembered as the PM who broke the union and destroyed the economy? No. Much better to put it to a PV, citing how things have changed. If we vote no deal, at least it's mandated. Same with no Brexit. It's her get out clause. Expand She ruled out a PV 53 times in Parliament yesterday. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christmas Tree 5324 Posted November 16, 2018 Author Share Posted November 16, 2018 On 16/11/2018 at 08:25, ewerk said: She'll technically survive it but if there's a sizeable number of her MPs voting to get rid of her then politically it would be incredibly difficult for her to continue. Expand Mays main talent is overcoming incredibly difficult situations. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewerk 34092 Posted November 16, 2018 Share Posted November 16, 2018 Much like a cockroach. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex 37689 Posted November 16, 2018 Share Posted November 16, 2018 Her main talent is dancing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renton 24402 Posted November 16, 2018 Share Posted November 16, 2018 (edited) On 16/11/2018 at 08:45, Christmas Tree said: She ruled out a PV 53 times in Parliament yesterday. Expand I dont think she did. But so what? How many times did she rule out a GE? The difference is she is now threatening MO Brexit at all. No way would she do that without a PV to justify it. The mood has changed. QT was in gammonland last night and a lot of people wanted a PV. It has huge support in the polls. Edited November 16, 2018 by Renton Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewerk 34092 Posted November 16, 2018 Share Posted November 16, 2018 (edited) Mo Brexit, mo problems. Edited November 16, 2018 by ewerk 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rayvin 6431 Posted November 16, 2018 Share Posted November 16, 2018 May overcomes fuck all. She keeps going with grim determination, I'll grant her that, but its not the same as overcoming, which suggests she will win out somehow. The only reason she is still PM is because the Tories need someone to be the fall guy for this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewerk 34092 Posted November 16, 2018 Share Posted November 16, 2018 Well, that and her sexy ass. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Gloom 24232 Posted November 16, 2018 Share Posted November 16, 2018 Corbyn sent out an email to members this morning saying if we can’t get an election labour will look at all options, including a people’s vote - finally! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rayvin 6431 Posted November 16, 2018 Share Posted November 16, 2018 He 100% won't get an election. Although i did read yesterday that if enough Tories join a vote of no confidence in the government, combined with Labour and the other parties they can force one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renton 24402 Posted November 16, 2018 Share Posted November 16, 2018 On 16/11/2018 at 09:05, Dr Gloom said: Corbyn sent out an email to members this morning saying if we can’t get an election labour will look at all options, including a people’s vote - finally! Expand It's gaining traction. Popular even in Leave areas. Can't beat a bit of direct democracy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meenzer 16777 Posted November 16, 2018 Share Posted November 16, 2018 Corbyn looks at a nice bag of lentils with more enthusiasm than he looks at a people's vote. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renton 24402 Posted November 16, 2018 Share Posted November 16, 2018 On 16/11/2018 at 09:08, Meenzer said: Corbyn looks at a nice bag of lentils with more enthusiasm than he looks at a people's vote. Expand Yeah, but he loves lentils. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meenzer 16777 Posted November 16, 2018 Share Posted November 16, 2018 On 16/11/2018 at 09:14, Renton said: Yeah, but he loves lentils. Expand True. Let me revise that to "a nearly empty bag of lentils". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Gloom 24232 Posted November 16, 2018 Share Posted November 16, 2018 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Gloom 24232 Posted November 16, 2018 Share Posted November 16, 2018 On 16/11/2018 at 09:08, Rayvin said: He 100% won't get an election. Although i did read yesterday that if enough Tories join a vote of no confidence in the government, combined with Labour and the other parties they can force one. Expand Disagree. I have thought for a while that that’s exactly where we’re heading. It’s that or a people’s vote - no deal isn’t an option and Mays deal, the only deal in town - isn’t getting the votes needed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christmas Tree 5324 Posted November 16, 2018 Author Share Posted November 16, 2018 On 16/11/2018 at 08:58, Renton said: I dont think she did. But so what? How many times did she rule out a GE? The difference is she is now threatening MO Brexit at all. No way would she do that without a PV to justify it. The mood has changed. QT was in gammonland last night and a lot of people wanted a PV. It has huge support in the polls. Expand The threat of no brexit was relating to government falling not on offer from her. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christmas Tree 5324 Posted November 16, 2018 Author Share Posted November 16, 2018 On 16/11/2018 at 09:05, Dr Gloom said: Corbyn sent out an email to members this morning saying if we can’t get an election labour will look at all options, including a people’s vote - finally! Expand ??? That’s been Labour policy since summer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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