ewerk 33655 Posted November 14, 2018 Share Posted November 14, 2018 (edited) On 14/11/2018 at 11:16, Renton said: All those points are rubbish though, including the last one if we stay in. I'm not a fan of a PV though because, yes, I fear the stupidity of the CT gammons who think like you. A quick question CT, so you admit this deal is fucking atrocious? If so, what dies that tell you about the relative leverage of the EU and UK, and the feasibility of no deal? Expand Of course he's against it, it goes against his reason for leaving in the first place. Then again a Canada style deal would see Nissan closing... It's almost as if we can't have our cake and eat it. Edited November 14, 2018 by ewerk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christmas Tree 5222 Posted November 14, 2018 Author Share Posted November 14, 2018 On 14/11/2018 at 11:22, Renton said: My guess is no. Cabinet will hang outAy to dry in front of parliament. Expand My instinct as of now is that this deal will pass the commons with a significant, If not total, Labour backing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christmas Tree 5222 Posted November 14, 2018 Author Share Posted November 14, 2018 On 14/11/2018 at 11:22, ewerk said: Of course he's against it, it goes against his reason for leaving in the first place. Then again a Canada style deal would see Nissan closing... It's almost as if we can't have our cake and eat it. Expand Given where we are and without actually knowing the deal / political declaration, this sounds like something that the vast majority of voters would be happy with. Obviously not at each extreme. Once the PR kicks in and business, unions etc jump on board, we’ll see the polls in favour of it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Gloom 23963 Posted November 14, 2018 Share Posted November 14, 2018 (edited) On 14/11/2018 at 11:03, NJS said: Maybe "scares" is the wrong word but as I've said, I think those assuming its outcome are taking it too much for granted. Expand it's scary for two reasons: - it potentially secures a democratic mandate for no deal. - the vote is reversed, which while saving the country from economic ruin in the short term, could lead the collapse of traditional political landscape. brexiters will be fucking fuming - they wiill feel they they have been betrayed by the "elite" and a far-right populist type could emerge to take advantage of the situation. Edited November 14, 2018 by Dr Gloom Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewerk 33655 Posted November 14, 2018 Share Posted November 14, 2018 On 14/11/2018 at 11:30, Christmas Tree said: Given where we are and without actually knowing the deal / political declaration, this sounds like something that the vast majority of voters would be happy with. Obviously not at each extreme. Once the PR kicks in and business, unions etc jump on board, we’ll see the polls in favour of it. Expand Renton didn't ask about the vast majority of voters, he asked about you. Are you happy with what we've got? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christmas Tree 5222 Posted November 14, 2018 Author Share Posted November 14, 2018 On 14/11/2018 at 11:32, ewerk said: Renton didn't ask about the vast majority of voters, he asked about you. Are you happy with what we've got? Expand I’ll let you know when we know what it is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NJS 4645 Posted November 14, 2018 Share Posted November 14, 2018 On 14/11/2018 at 11:30, Dr Gloom said: it's scary for two reasons: - it potentially secures a democratic mandate for no deal. - the vote is reversed, which while saving the country from economic ruin in the short term, could lead the collapse of traditional political landscape. brexiters will be fucking fuming - they wiill feel they they have been betrayed by the "elite" and a far-right populist type could emerge to take advantage of the situation. Expand That's exactly what I was saying a couple of days ago - I think a lot of the "leavers were stupid" school of pv advocates have still not acknowledged why people voted and suggested action (I don't think leavers were right but I understand some of the underlying attitudes). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rayvin 6139 Posted November 14, 2018 Share Posted November 14, 2018 On 14/11/2018 at 10:14, Renton said: Really? You didn't care about the economy, or the Irish border, or Scotland? If you think no deal is "oh well", you're in for a hell of a shock. Expand I'll just leave. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christmas Tree 5222 Posted November 14, 2018 Author Share Posted November 14, 2018 On 14/11/2018 at 11:30, Dr Gloom said: it's scary for two reasons: - it potentially secures a democratic mandate for no deal. - the vote is reversed, which while saving the country from economic ruin in the short term, could lead the collapse of traditional political landscape. brexiters will be fucking fuming - they wiill feel they they have been betrayed by the "elite" and a far-right populist type could emerge to take advantage of the situation. Expand Yup, as I warned last week. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewerk 33655 Posted November 14, 2018 Share Posted November 14, 2018 On 14/11/2018 at 11:38, Christmas Tree said: I’ll let you know when we know what it is. Expand Based on the article Renton posted further up the page, what are your thoughts on it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renton 24200 Posted November 14, 2018 Share Posted November 14, 2018 (edited) On 14/11/2018 at 11:38, Rayvin said: I'll just leave. Expand Well, you've got 4 months left to move to the EU. Even then, don't expect the full benefits of EU citizenship. Have you an Irish grandparent? Edited November 14, 2018 by Renton Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christmas Tree 5222 Posted November 14, 2018 Author Share Posted November 14, 2018 On 14/11/2018 at 11:47, ewerk said: Based on the article Renton posted further up the page, what are your thoughts on it? Expand Honestly, I haven’t read it yet as I watching the news / politics live, posting on here and texting. I’ll read it after PMQ’s. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Gloom 23963 Posted November 14, 2018 Share Posted November 14, 2018 (edited) On 14/11/2018 at 11:39, Christmas Tree said: Yup, as I warned last week. Expand Did you? i confess to not reading every post in this thread religiously Edited November 14, 2018 by Dr Gloom Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex 37302 Posted November 14, 2018 Share Posted November 14, 2018 On 14/11/2018 at 11:17, Christmas Tree said: Do we think there will be resignations this afternoon? Expand Maybe you could predict some will happen and you could also predict that there won’t be any. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rayvin 6139 Posted November 14, 2018 Share Posted November 14, 2018 On 14/11/2018 at 11:48, Renton said: Well, you've got 4 months left to move to the EU. Even then, don't expect the full benefits of EU citizenship. Have you an Irish grandparent? Expand I'm dating a French girl, could just marry her I didn't mean the EU necessarily. I might go to the US or Canada. That's if the economy tanks ofc. I appreciate I dont get FOM that way but it's better than being stuck on a rock with no potential. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewerk 33655 Posted November 14, 2018 Share Posted November 14, 2018 Is it true what they say about French girls? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ayatollah Hermione 14819 Posted November 14, 2018 Share Posted November 14, 2018 Aye, does she stink? 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Gloom 23963 Posted November 14, 2018 Share Posted November 14, 2018 On 14/11/2018 at 12:06, Rayvin said: I'm dating a French girl, could just marry her I didn't mean the EU necessarily. I might go to the US or Canada. That's if the economy tanks ofc. I appreciate I dont get FOM that way but it's better than being stuck on a rock with no potential. Expand hmmm, trump-land, even more appealing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Gloom 23963 Posted November 14, 2018 Share Posted November 14, 2018 On 14/11/2018 at 12:11, Ayatollah Hermione said: Aye, does she stink? Expand hairy pits innit? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rayvin 6139 Posted November 14, 2018 Share Posted November 14, 2018 On 14/11/2018 at 12:13, Dr Gloom said: hmmm, trump-land, even more appealing Expand He's just temporary though. On 14/11/2018 at 12:13, Dr Gloom said: hairy pits innit? Expand No, and while she brought up the stereotype about french people smelling bad herself as well, she doesn't as far as I can tell. Having said that I have a sinus condition which diminishes my sense of smell, so maybe it's doing me a favour! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christmas Tree 5222 Posted November 14, 2018 Author Share Posted November 14, 2018 On 14/11/2018 at 11:56, Dr Gloom said: Did you? i confess to not reading every post in this thread religiously Expand Shame on you! Actually, I thought I saw you in the background on the news today near Westminster ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Gloom 23963 Posted November 14, 2018 Share Posted November 14, 2018 No, not today. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Rayvin 6139 Posted November 14, 2018 Share Posted November 14, 2018 If that's true, this deal is horrific. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ayatollah Hermione 14819 Posted November 14, 2018 Share Posted November 14, 2018 Well, we really showed those barmy Brussels Bureaucrats who they were dealing with 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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