Gemmill 44382 Posted September 22, 2018 Share Posted September 22, 2018 https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/jeremy-corbyn-back-second-referendum-13292683 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaddockLad 17079 Posted September 22, 2018 Share Posted September 22, 2018 2 hours ago, Christmas Tree said: Bit of history at where this process started, particularly the way the EU and Blair conspired to dodge a refferendum in the early 2000’s and how the Lib Dem’s called for an in out refferendum in 2008. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-15390884 Worst “not me guv” ever tbh Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NJS 4371 Posted September 22, 2018 Share Posted September 22, 2018 3 hours ago, Renton said: Well, I'm not going to disagree with that. Our "centrist" policies have always been to far to the right anyway. The electoral system is in desperate need of reform, but there is no plausible mechanism to let this happen. What a mess. Since Major, Blair and Cameron are all pretty much centrists, can you explain why after 26 years of your centrist paradise, so many people rejected one of its central pillars? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewerk 30266 Posted September 22, 2018 Share Posted September 22, 2018 On 24/06/2016 at 18:50, Christmas Tree said: Honestly, I'm fairly certain that our relationship with Europe over the coming weeks will get stronger and stronger leading to a deal within 12 months. @Christmas Tree Hiya, mate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewerk 30266 Posted September 22, 2018 Share Posted September 22, 2018 2 minutes ago, NJS said: Since Major, Blair and Cameron are all pretty much centrists, can you explain why after 26 years of your centrist paradise, so many people rejected one of its central pillars? Are you seriously lumping those three PMs as three of the same? Just all centrists? You’re clever enough to know the difference between them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewerk 30266 Posted September 22, 2018 Share Posted September 22, 2018 17 minutes ago, Gemmill said: https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/jeremy-corbyn-back-second-referendum-13292683 A defeat for Chequers doesn’t mean a GE, Jeremy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christmas Tree 4688 Posted September 22, 2018 Author Share Posted September 22, 2018 52 minutes ago, Renton said: Ive read the article. Tell me where it says the underlined. You're talking shit as usual, arent you? Still think we will get a cracking deal tubs? Care to comment on ewerk's post? Clear again that you spout without knowing your facts. I suggest you read up on how we got here, Blair’s promise to “settle the EU” situation once and for all”, in 2004 and how following a few countries rejecting the new treaty, it was fudged / amended and Blair weasled out on his promise. Im not doing all your research for you but here’s another article from the time explaining how all three parties wanted the refferendum. https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/world/2004/apr/20/eu.politics6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renton 21300 Posted September 22, 2018 Share Posted September 22, 2018 17 minutes ago, NJS said: Since Major, Blair and Cameron are all pretty much centrists, can you explain why after 26 years of your centrist paradise, so many people rejected one of its central pillars? Ewerk's already stated the obvious, but "centrist paradise", where have i said that? Fuck off msn, all i want is the best for my family, and every body elses families, in the knowledge that money is finite. You know, i get the impression you are one massive fucking hypocrite anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christmas Tree 4688 Posted September 22, 2018 Author Share Posted September 22, 2018 17 minutes ago, ewerk said: @Christmas Tree Hiya, mate. Should have been the case but the “losers” couldn’t accept the democratic decision and have fought this all the way giving the EU hope that we would change our minds. Also has to be said that the government have handled the negogiations very poorly, particularly by letting the EU set out the negotiating format. As Davis said at the time, the future relationship is the key to the Irish situation. There is no way no deal is happening. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christmas Tree 4688 Posted September 22, 2018 Author Share Posted September 22, 2018 21 minutes ago, ewerk said: Are you seriously lumping those three PMs as three of the same? Just all centrists? You’re clever enough to know the difference between them. One fucked a witch, one fucked a country (or two) and one fucked a pig. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewerk 30266 Posted September 22, 2018 Share Posted September 22, 2018 1 minute ago, Christmas Tree said: Should have been the case but the “losers” couldn’t accept the democratic decision and have fought this all the way giving the EU hope that we would change our minds. Also has to be said that the government have handled the negogiations very poorly, particularly by letting the EU set out the negotiating format. As Davis said at the time, the future relationship is the key to the Irish situation. There is no way no deal is happening. So it’s remainers who have undermined the UK’s negotiating position. Please explain how. Also, go into some more depth about how sequencing affecting talks. You're already on record as being full of shit btw. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewerk 30266 Posted September 22, 2018 Share Posted September 22, 2018 2 minutes ago, Christmas Tree said: One fucked a witch, one fucked a country (or two) and one fucked a pig. Was... was that a joke? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renton 21300 Posted September 22, 2018 Share Posted September 22, 2018 6 minutes ago, Christmas Tree said: Clear again that you spout without knowing your facts. I suggest you read up on how we got here, Blair’s promise to “settle the EU” situation once and for all”, in 2004 and how following a few countries rejecting the new treaty, it was fudged / amended and Blair weasled out on his promise. Im not doing all your research for you but here’s another article from the time explaining how all three parties wanted the refferendum. https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/world/2004/apr/20/eu.politics6 You said Blair and the EU colluded. Do you know what collude actually means? You said the original article said it. It didnt. Now you've posted another article, but you haven't even been bothered to hide the fact it came from a google search (hint, the url). Seriously, just fuck off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christmas Tree 4688 Posted September 22, 2018 Author Share Posted September 22, 2018 4 minutes ago, ewerk said: So it’s remainers who have undermined the UK’s negotiating position. Please explain how. Also, go into some more depth about how sequencing affecting talks. You're already on record as being full of shit btw. Surely you understand that discussing future trade in Summer 17 would have put much more focus on sorting the Irish issue then rather than kicking it down the road til now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renton 21300 Posted September 22, 2018 Share Posted September 22, 2018 On 20/09/2018 at 16:39, ewerk said: Honestly, I'm fairly certain that our relationship with Europe over the coming weeks will get stronger and stronger leading to a deal within 12 months. In case CT missed it. Thats you who said it CT btw, not ewerk. Comment? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christmas Tree 4688 Posted September 22, 2018 Author Share Posted September 22, 2018 6 minutes ago, Renton said: You said Blair and the EU colluded. Do you know what collude actually means? You said the original article said it. It didnt. Now you've posted another article, but you haven't even been bothered to hide the fact it came from a google search (hint, the url). Seriously, just fuck off. Im just trying to help you acquire some knowledge about how we got to this position. But fine, stick your head in the sand. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewerk 30266 Posted September 22, 2018 Share Posted September 22, 2018 1 minute ago, Christmas Tree said: Surely you understand that discussing future trade in Summer 17 would have put much more focus on sorting the Irish issue then rather than kicking it down the road til now. We are nowhere near sorting trade in Autumn 2018. Why would we have been able to agree it on Summer 2017? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex 34845 Posted September 22, 2018 Share Posted September 22, 2018 Maybe Corbyn and his team are playing a blinder Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christmas Tree 4688 Posted September 22, 2018 Author Share Posted September 22, 2018 1 minute ago, Renton said: In case CT missed it. Thats you who said it CT btw, not ewerk. Comment? Seven posts above luv. Put the wine down Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christmas Tree 4688 Posted September 22, 2018 Author Share Posted September 22, 2018 2 minutes ago, ewerk said: We are nowhere near sorting trade in Autumn 2018. Why would we have been able to agree it on Summer 2017? Both sides are now concentrating on how future trade effects the Irish border. Much better to have had this out first in Summer 17. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renton 21300 Posted September 22, 2018 Share Posted September 22, 2018 2 minutes ago, Christmas Tree said: Seven posts above luv. Put the wine down Cross post. You know, admitting you were wrong might give you more respect than constant excuses and blame shifting. You wanted this, you own it. You'll fuck off forever when the real shit kicks in like, possibly thr only real Brexit benefit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewerk 30266 Posted September 22, 2018 Share Posted September 22, 2018 3 minutes ago, Christmas Tree said: Both sides are now concentrating on how future trade effects the Irish border. Much better to have had this out first in Summer 17. You said that that a deal would be agreed by June 2017. But the first talks didn’t start until June 2017. You thought the whole thing should have been done and dusted in two weeks? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christmas Tree 4688 Posted September 22, 2018 Author Share Posted September 22, 2018 1 minute ago, ewerk said: You said that that a deal would be agreed by June 2017. But the first talks didn’t start until June 2017. You thought the whole thing should have been done and dusted in two weeks? As you know that comment was immediately after the refferendum before we knew the date for article 50 and all the other stuff. It was an opinion at the time. We all state opinions that are just that, opinions. If that’s where you now are with the level of your political debate then I’m saddened Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renton 21300 Posted September 22, 2018 Share Posted September 22, 2018 1 minute ago, Christmas Tree said: As you know that comment was immediately after the refferendum before we knew the date for article 50 and all the other stuff. It was an opinion at the time. We all state opinions that are just that, opinions. If that’s where you now are with the level of your political debate then I’m saddened Regardless of dates, its obvious you thought a deal would be quick and easy. Just like Fox, Gove, and Davis. You believed these charlatans, didnt you? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewerk 30266 Posted September 22, 2018 Share Posted September 22, 2018 So CT, you’re admitting that you were a mile off in your prediction? You honestly couldn’t have been further away. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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