Europe --- In or Out

[Christmas Tree 4531]

52 minutes ago, ewerk said:

I don't think remain would lose that one. The deal is going to be a steaming pile of shite that won't have the backing of all leavers so remain will have the numbers.

If it goes your way then fair enough, we lost.

 

Can you tell me the question you’d like on the ballot paper.

[ewerk 29774]

I haven’t given it much thought. Maybe something along the lines of ‘Do you wish to leave the EU under the terms of the Withdrawal agreement or remain in the EU?’

Edited May 10, 2018 by ewerk

[Meenzer 15193]

Imagine a newspaper not understanding the irony of its own front page.

 

[Alex 34274]

Well I suppose the vast majority of the readership won't get it either

[ewerk 29774]

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Pro-Europe Labour backbenchers are fighting to keep the pressure on Jeremy Corbyn to reconsider his opposition to membership of the European Economic Area, as new polling for the People’s Vote campaign confirms majority support for a vote on the Brexit deal.

The poll, by Opinium, finds a small overall majority of 53% in favour of a vote on the deal, with 31% opposed.

But among Labour voters the majority is much bigger, 69% to 18%, and among the so-called Corbynista generation of under-35s, 65% want a second vote to 22% opposed. The pattern is broadly similar in leave and remain voting areas across the UK.

Chuka Umunna, a leading supporter of the People’s Vote campaign, said it was clear that the Brexit deal described by the leave campaign will not be on the table.

“The Brexit that people were promised is very different to the one they will get. They were told we could get all the economic benefits of the EU after we left, but that is patently not the case as new facts emerge every week.

“650 MPs alone should not determine the destinies of 65 million people on such a big issue.”

A similar poll by the Labour organisation Left Foot Forward, conducted by BMG in the first few days of May, was published on Wednesday. It found support for a second vote if there was no deal running at 53% to 47% if undecided voters were excluded.

Gareth Thomas, who successfully moved a backbench bill for a people’s vote with Liberal Democrat and Plaid Cymru support earlier this week, said: “Whether you think Brexit is a good deal or a bad deal, there’s no denying it’s a big deal … the people of this country must decide whether or not the Brexit on offer is the right path.”

The NUS vice-president for FE, Emily Chapman, who backs the student-led For our Future’s Sake, said the vast majority of students and younger people are opposed to Brexit.

“We are the ones who will have to live with the consequences of Brexit for the longest if we leave the EU, so we must be given a say on what our future should be.”

Umunna is one of a group of backbenchers who are pushing Corbyn to adopt EEA membership.

After the Lords rebellion on Tuesday, when 83 Labour peers rebelled against party instructions to abstain on an amendment committing the government to membership of the EEA, MPs will have a vote when the EU Withdrawal bill returns to the Commons on 21 May.

Peers had been whipped to abstain on the bill, and Corbyn’s spokesperson said on Wednesday there would be no change in the party’s position.

“We will be pressing the case in the Commons ... for a new relationship with the EU which is based on a new relationship with the single market that retains the benefits.”

But some MPs believe there is a chance of defeating the government and are angry that Labour might duck the opportunity.

Membership of the EEA is also backed by the TUC because it would represent the closest relationship with the single market without being a full member. It does not cover either agriculture or fisheries, but it does underpin EU standards and rights.

On Thursday Claire Hanna, Brexit spokesperson for the SDLP – Labour’s sister party in Northern Ireland – appealed to Labour MPs to back the EEA as a way of resolving the impasse over the border between the north and south of the island.

“A hard border can’t be prevented by clever words in a treaty text or by imagined technological innovations. It will only be prevented if we retain full access and full alignment with the single market and customs union,” she said.

“No other solution is possible ... the SDLP is urging Labour to use this opportunity to act in all of our interests by remaining in the EEA.”

However, like the single market, the EEA restricts state aid to an extent and imposes EU competition rules. In a speech in Glasgow on Friday, Corbyn will pledge to build three new Royal Fleet Auxiliary vessels in British shipyards. The government is preparing to put the contract, worth an estimated £1bn, out to international tender. It could be argued that Corbyn’s pledge is not compatible with membership of the EEA.

Opinium polled 2005 people across the UK on 4-5 May.

 

[Christmas Tree 4531]

@Meenzer

 

 

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[PaddockLad 16723]

Marina Hyde is the world's greatest living human being....actually maybe second after Rafa?

 

Anyway, she ranks very highly, enjoy..

 

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/may/11/brexit-boris-johnson-jacob-rees-mogg-house-of-lords?CMP=fb_gu

 

[PaddockLad 16723]

This fellah though, he's a fuckin cunt..

 

 

[PaddockLad 16723]

1 hour ago, SpaceCadet said:

PLEASE GIVE ME SOME ATTENTION

 

fyp

 

 

[adios 717]

I'm thinking someone (  )  altered that post before you did tbf.

[Monkeys Fist 41506]

2 minutes ago, SpaceCadet said:

It was just something about Jerking Rover Messily. 

 

[PaddockLad 16723]

 

[ewerk 29774]

3 hours ago, PaddockLad said:

This fellah though, he's a fuckin cunt..

 

 

Why let real people’s lives get in the way of his narrow minded agenda?

[Howmanheyman 32099]

On 08/05/2018 at 13:25, Alex said:

Paul Wynning

[Monkeys Fist 41506]

Just now, SpaceCadet said:

If you were keeping up you'd know I fuck dogs  

 

[Monkeys Fist 41506]

Spoiler

rattled as fuck, you dog-fucking Nazi blob. 

 

[Monkeys Fist 41506]

Waddle on, then, you obese fucking skin bag. 

Try not to trip over your own gut, wouldn’t want you having an anxiety attack, would we?

 

Not that we need worry- there’s no errand, is there? 

It’s after midday, you’re not moving anywhere, for anyone,are you? 

Butt

Rag

Stick. 

 

[adios 717]

The sexual tension in here is palpable.

[Monkeys Fist 41506]

Howay Adios. 

Last time he “had sex” his “lass” asked for roofies so she could forget about it. 

Then he woke up and raped his hand, again. 

[Christmas Tree 4531]

Time to go you prick

[ewerk 29774]

Fuck me, I found the swastika less offensive than your current avatar.

[Monkeys Fist 41506]

1 hour ago, SpaceCadet said:

I just read your story of you and your pappy meeting Supermac. It was a sweet story despite your old man's obvious inferiority complex 

 

When the bitter cunt croaked it you should have stuffed his corpse with popcorn kernel, the cremation would have been epic 

Ahh, how poignant this is. 

Take note chaps, even if you’re so drunk you’ve become fluent in Azerbaijani, and you’ve chucked the muck up an absolute munter, never deny the resultant foetus your attention… even fat dog-fanciers need a daddy. 

Gunter Von Hundeficker here is what happens when Dads ignore/deny/hate their lucky spunks. 

Don’t create another one of it, lads. 

The world only has a finite amount of attention to give to corpulent failures. 

 

 

[Monkeys Fist 41506]

55 minutes ago, ewerk said:

Fuck me, I found the swastika less offensive than your current avatar.

Fixed

[ewerk 29774]

Keir Starmer answering accusations that Labour’s Brexit policy is muddled and unclear by being completely muddled and unclear.