Meenzer 15391 Posted March 22, 2018 Share Posted March 22, 2018 I've always thought it was a shame my mam decided to give up citizenship of her birth country when she settled here (the law there at the time didn't allow her to hold both), but when you see things like this you start to wonder. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewerk 30242 Posted March 22, 2018 Share Posted March 22, 2018 4 hours ago, Sonatine said: Isn't Brexit all about free trade with the rest of the world? It hasn't crossed the mind of any of the Brexiters that the trade might be inbound. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex 34822 Posted March 22, 2018 Share Posted March 22, 2018 1 hour ago, Meenzer said: I've always thought it was a shame my mam decided to give up citizenship of her birth country when she settled here (the law there at the time didn't allow her to hold both), but when you see things like this you start to wonder. You might not have been a horrible, racist cunt if you voted leave, but make no mistake about which side you're on 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewerk 30242 Posted March 22, 2018 Share Posted March 22, 2018 As long as @zerosum made a few quid out of it. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ayatollah Hermione 13794 Posted March 22, 2018 Share Posted March 22, 2018 1 hour ago, ewerk said: If you think I'm stooping to the level of you and this cunt you're sadly mistaken, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zerosum 234 Posted March 22, 2018 Share Posted March 22, 2018 thanks for the mention Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anorthernsoul 1221 Posted March 22, 2018 Share Posted March 22, 2018 Cable is still a massive cunt I see. https://www.theguardian.com/politics/blog/live/2018/mar/22/minister-floats-prospect-of-procurement-rules-changing-after-brexit-after-passport-contract-backlash-politics-live Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewerk 30242 Posted March 22, 2018 Share Posted March 22, 2018 On 20/03/2018 at 18:46, Renton said: BTW, anyone watched Soft Border Patrol on iPlayer? Peter Kay-like mockumentary about this issue. Not as funny as the real life situation. Seen a couple of episodes and enjoying it. Little bits of local humour thrown in. Plus Karen Hassan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewerk 30242 Posted March 23, 2018 Share Posted March 23, 2018 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meenzer 15391 Posted March 23, 2018 Share Posted March 23, 2018 Bloody snowflakes, getting offended by every tiny little thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rayvin 5176 Posted March 23, 2018 Share Posted March 23, 2018 It's pointless to even say it these now because it's such a cliché, but honestly, i fucking hate the daily mail. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meenzer 15391 Posted March 23, 2018 Share Posted March 23, 2018 They've done as much to wreck this country as anyone, unfortunately. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renton 21271 Posted March 23, 2018 Share Posted March 23, 2018 (edited) 10 minutes ago, Meenzer said: They've done as much to wreck this country as anyone, unfortunately. In a way, but I feel they are just tapping into the rotten core of English nationalism and geriatric nostalgia. Guess I'm questioning are they the cause or the symptom? In medicine we usually are forced to treat symptoms; tackling the cause is always more difficult and often involves surgery. Maybe the failure of Brexit will be the surgery we need. It's just a shame we all have to go under the knife. Edited March 23, 2018 by Renton Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meenzer 15391 Posted March 23, 2018 Share Posted March 23, 2018 I think they're both - they're a symptom of what's probably a relative minority of genuinely outraged people, but they also act as an enabler for those whose views are more moderate or just less passionately held, but who get emboldened by seeing stuff like this in the public discourse all the time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rayvin 5176 Posted March 23, 2018 Share Posted March 23, 2018 I remember that Gloom would make this argument a lot - the media just following the trends of how people are. I can see that side of it for sure, and maybe it's like a vicious and expanding circle to a degree. You start off with some racist, nationalistic fuckheads - the newspaper panders to them - and then more people are 'won' over by increasingly sensationalised bullshit. What makes me think that the media don't lead as much now though, is the prevalence of relatively far right (alt right) platforms and individuals now beginning to gain traction with the mainstream. Conventional media has clearly enabled them and set the scene in people's minds for a conversion further to the right, but I think control may be out of their hands to some degree now. The Daily Mail, IMO, only really speaks to old people who don't like to be challenged, and stupid people, who don't like to be challenged. I doubt anyone of any intellectual capacity considers it to be anything other than unmitigated shite. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meenzer 15391 Posted March 23, 2018 Share Posted March 23, 2018 I'm just concerned we have a lot of old people and stupid people. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rayvin 5176 Posted March 23, 2018 Share Posted March 23, 2018 17.4 million at least. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewerk 30242 Posted March 23, 2018 Share Posted March 23, 2018 Probably a few less after last winter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renton 21271 Posted March 23, 2018 Share Posted March 23, 2018 Regarding blue passports, I wonder if the mail have mentioned: 1) if the government had chosen to, it could have kept this in-house, like the French do. 2) Government contracts our out to tender are subject to international competition via WTO rules, not EU. Or maybe they will blame it on the evil EU? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rayvin 5176 Posted March 23, 2018 Share Posted March 23, 2018 It's an entirely hypocritical position. They seem to be asking for the government waste money on a more expensive British option on the one hand, whilst on the other demanding that they curtail benefits and cut down investment into public service. Actually tbh I'm not sure about that last bit, I could just about imagine that the DM come down on the side of public sector workers on some things. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meenzer 15391 Posted March 23, 2018 Share Posted March 23, 2018 I wonder if they've also mentioned the 40 countries for whom the British company manufactures passports. But that's all right, apparently. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rayvin 5176 Posted March 23, 2018 Share Posted March 23, 2018 (edited) Why is the British option so much more expensive anyway? Surely it's not long for this world if it can be undercut so much by this French manufacturer. Those 40 countries will, you would think, go elsewhere. Edited March 23, 2018 by Rayvin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewerk 30242 Posted March 23, 2018 Share Posted March 23, 2018 6 minutes ago, Rayvin said: It's an entirely hypocritical position. They seem to be asking for the government waste money on a more expensive British option on the one hand, whilst on the other demanding that they curtail benefits and cut down investment into public service. I'm not having that at all. You can denigrate women, indoctrinate us with your plans for a communist utopia but I won't listen to you call the Daily Mail hypocritical, the very notion is absurd. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rayvin 5176 Posted March 23, 2018 Share Posted March 23, 2018 1 minute ago, ewerk said: I'm not having that at all. You can denigrate women, indoctrinate us with your plans for a communist utopia but I won't listen to you call the Daily Mail hypocritical, the very notion is absurd. I do have a broad spectrum of beliefs. Don't remember denigrating women like, unless you believe feminism = women. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewerk 30242 Posted March 23, 2018 Share Posted March 23, 2018 The facade has worn thin. We've got your number now. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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